The Study of Racialism Discussion of U.S. Racialism Please read The Rules before posting.    FAQ   Search     Register     Log in  ' Nicole Richie Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next          The Study of Racialism Forum Index -> Popular People Author Message sweetsister Guest { } Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2006 04:03    Post subject: Nicole Richie I recently heard an interview in which Nicole Richie self-identified as "Black". Not "biracial", "mulatto" or "multiracial", but Black. I've also heard that her biological Mother is African American and her biological Father is Latino. I find her decision to identify specifically as "Black" very interesting (especially considering she has "hidden" her beautiful multiracial dark-blond curls with straight, golden-blond extensions to the extent that she now appears very White). Good for her for claiming her right to identify with what feels "right" to her! Anyone else have an opinion on this? Back to top mixedmom Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 776 } Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2006 04:13    Post subject: I don't think that I've ever gotten a straight story on Nicole Richie regarding her racial background. I don't really keep up with celebs too much but it seems that the only reason why Nicole's public declaration that she identifies as black is an issue is because she appears totally white. It would seem ridiculous for Whitney Houston to make a public declaration like this. Ultimately, whatever an indivdual is most comfortable with regarding their ethnic identity is what they should go with. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2006 06:01    Post subject: I think it has more to do wiht being raised by Lionel Ritchie than anything. Supposedly one of the Quintanillas is her father and her mother was White, but she has been denying this lately from what I understand. I doubt her father is false though. She was born Nicole Camilla Escovedo. Her purported biological father and good Lionel Ritchie friend Peter Michael Escovedo. Grandpa Grandma and Grandpa on the bottom right. More of the Escovedo family. You can see the obvious resemblance http://www.sheilae.com/about/pictures/escovedos.shtml Back to top mixedmom Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 776 } Posted: Mon 20 Mar 2006 22:14    Post subject: With Sweetsister's permission, I moved this topic here so that the men could take part in the discussion. Back to top sweetsister Guest { } Posted: Tue 21 Mar 2006 23:47    Post subject: You know what? I've decided that I'm much more concerned with Nicole Richie's obvious and potentially life-threatening eating disorder than I am with how she identifies regarding her ethnicity. Just a thought. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 15:55    Post subject: mixedmom wrote: I don't think that I've ever gotten a straight story on Nicole Richie regarding her racial background. I don't really keep up with celebs too much but it seems that the only reason why Nicole's public declaration that she identifies as black is an issue is because she appears totally white. ->It would seem ridiculous for Whitney Houston to make a public declaration like this. <- What did you mean by this Mixedmom? I didn't get the understanding... Ultimately, whatever an indivdual is most comfortable with regarding their ethnic identity is what they should go with. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 15:57    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: I think it has more to do wiht being raised by Lionel Ritchie than anything. Supposedly one of the Quintanillas is her father and her mother was White, but she has been denying this lately from what I understand. I believe the mother was/is Creole I doubt her father is false though. She was born Nicole Camilla Escovedo. Her purported biological father and good Lionel Ritchie friend Peter Michael Escovedo. I thought she easily blended in with Lionel and his ex-wife Grandpa Grandma and Grandpa on the bottom right. More of the Escovedo family. You can see the obvious resemblance http://www.sheilae.com/about/pictures/escovedos.shtml Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 16:03    Post subject: mixedmom wrote: I don't think that I've ever gotten a straight story on Nicole Richie regarding her racial background. I don't really keep up with celebs too much but it seems that the only reason why Nicole's public declaration that she identifies as black is an issue is because she appears totally white. It would seem ridiculous for Whitney Houston to make a public declaration like this. Ultimately, whatever an indivdual is most comfortable with regarding their ethnic identity is what they should go with. I always thought Nicole & Raven Simone(cosby show) looked alike, especially when Nicole had some weight on her. She looks sickly now Back to top mixedmom Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 776 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 17:02    Post subject: What I meant by my statement that you've highlighted in red is this, the fact that it appears very obvious to most Americans that Whitney is African American would make it seem redundant or silly to make an issue of it as if it's some kind of revelation for her to express her choice to identify as African American. Because Nicole Richie looks completely white to most Americans, her decision to identify as black isn't redundant or obvious. gemini072 wrote: mixedmom wrote: I don't think that I've ever gotten a straight story on Nicole Richie regarding her racial background. I don't really keep up with celebs too much but it seems that the only reason why Nicole's public declaration that she identifies as black is an issue is because she appears totally white. ->It would seem ridiculous for Whitney Houston to make a public declaration like this. <- What did you mean by this Mixedmom? I didn't get the understanding... Ultimately, whatever an indivdual is most comfortable with regarding their ethnic identity is what they should go with. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 18:09    Post subject: gemini072 wrote: I believe the mother was/is Creole Naw,that was her dad's mom. I thought she easily blended in with Lionel and his ex-wife Never saw the ex wife, but she did not look like Lionel Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 18:25    Post subject: Whitney Houston & her father mixedmom wrote: What I meant by my statement that you've highlighted in red is this, the fact that it appears very obvious to most Americans that Whitney is African American would make it seem redundant or silly to make an issue of it as if it's some kind of revelation for her to express her choice to identify as African American. Because Nicole Richie looks completely white to most Americans, her decision to identify as black isn't redundant or obvious. gemini072 wrote: mixedmom wrote: I don't think that I've ever gotten a straight story on Nicole Richie regarding her racial background. I don't really keep up with celebs too much but it seems that the only reason why Nicole's public declaration that she identifies as black is an issue is because she appears totally white. ->It would seem ridiculous for Whitney Houston to make a public declaration like this. <- What did you mean by this Mixedmom? I didn't get the understanding... Ultimately, whatever an indivdual is most comfortable with regarding their ethnic identity is what they should go with. Ok, gottcha Whitney's father is biracial. It was said she talked about it on Oprah around the time of the Bodyguard movie. actually around that time there was a big deal made about her obvious mixed looks and being casted in the interracial role. One the show she express her father being part Italian, I also heard mentioned being of Native Ancestry as well. John Houston Whitney & John Houston Back to top mixedmom Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 776 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 18:27    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: gemini072 wrote: I believe the mother was/is Creole Naw,that was her dad's mom. I thought she easily blended in with Lionel and his ex-wife Never saw the ex wife, but she did not look like Lionel Is Lionel Richie divorced from his second wife? I heard that they were getting divorced. If so, which ex wife are we talking about? His first ex (black) or his second ex (white)? Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 18:48    Post subject: Nicole Ritchie Salsassin wrote: gemini072 wrote: I believe the mother was/is Creole Naw,that was her dad's mom. I thought she easily blended in with Lionel and his ex-wife Never saw the ex wife, but she did not look like Lionel Both Lionel and his ex wife are obviously mixed people. When Nicoles hair wasn't so blond and straight she could have easily been the result of those to parents, is what I meant. I don't remember hearing Nicoles mother was white... AKA Nicole Camille Escovedo Born: 21-Sep-1981 Birthplace: Berkeley, CA Gender: Female Ethnicity: Multiracial Sexual orientation: Straight Occupation: TV Personality Nationality: United States Executive summary: Paris Hilton's ex-pal Nicole Richie is the adopted daughter of pop singer Lionel Richie. She sprang to celebrity in 2003, co-staring with so-called "socialite" Paris Hilton in the Fox's bizarre The Simple Life reality show. Richie is a mix of caucasian, Black Creole and Hispanic extraction. She was adopted by Richie when she was nine years old. Her genetic father is 1980s pop musician Pete Escovedo Jr., whose sister is singer Sheila E. Their father, Pete Escovedo Sr., is a famous Latin jazzman. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:37    Post subject: It takes more than being mixed to create a phenotype. Nicole Ritchie has certain percentages of ancestries and looks unique to her family. She does not look like Lionel. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:39    Post subject: Re: Nicole Ritchie gemini072 wrote: Richie is a mix of caucasian, Black Creole and Hispanic extraction. Black Creole? How about just Creole. The grandmother is already quite mixed. Gemini wrote: I don't know what it means, it was a cut in paste. Not my words or wording Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:44    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: It takes more than being mixed to create a phenotype. Nicole Ritchie has certain percentages of ancestries and looks unique to her family. She does not look like Lionel. Did I say she looked like Lionell. I said when I saw pictures of her with her adoptive parents, at the time I easily assumed that was their daughter. Man, that kind of family not uncommon. Back to top Salsassin Suspended Joined: 04 Apr 2005 {Posts: 3508 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:49    Post subject: babies phenotypes are not as marked. Growing up you can see she is not their daughter. Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:53    Post subject: Salsassin wrote: babies phenotypes are not as marked. Growing up you can see she is not their daughter. According to you, you never even saw the mother. Have you ever seen a family where the parent looked mixed but one child came out looking white? I have My comment was just that she looked like she came from them in her younger years. Brenda Richie not only has naturally curly hair but is just as fair skinned as Lionell. In those pictures I post you can't see her that much. Last edited by gemini072 on Thu 29 Nov 2007 16:10; edited 1 time in total Back to top gemini072 Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2695 } Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 19:57    Post subject: Re: Nicole Ritchie Salsassin wrote: gemini072 wrote: Richie is a mix of caucasian, Black Creole and Hispanic extraction. Black Creole? How about just Creole. The grandmother is already quite mixed. I don't know what it means, it was a cut in paste How did my message get imbedded in your post? Back to top fwsweet Administrator Joined: 26 Nov 2004 {Posts: 4584 } Location: Palm Coast, FL Posted: Wed 22 Mar 2006 20:01    Post subject: Re: Nicole Ritchie gemini072 wrote: How did my message get imbedded in your post? You hit the "Edit" instead of the "Quote" button. 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