The Study of Racialism

Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

If European genes are so strong in 50/50 mixes than why are such offsprings rarely eyeballed as looking White in the eyes of most Westerners ? Yet such offsprings get confused for being Black all of the time. Most offsprings of such unions do not have the option of passing for White because they do not have enough Euro features to be considered within the Caucasian range of phenotypes.

Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

fsweet you have some SSA admixture, do you think your phenotype would still be eyeballed by most of society to be within European range if one of your parents was say Ugandan for example ? Or do you think most of Western society would socially eyeball you as looking like a Brotha ? in other words do you think you would still have looked the way do you do now or do you think would have had darker pigmentation and more pronounced SSA features if you had a pure or atleast overwhelmingly SSA parent ?

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Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

I still say physical features is the main reason why the overwhelming majority of 50/50 mixes do not have the option of passing for White. Look at Barack Obama for example, millions of people in the African American community have a phenotype that is similar to his. But how many people who are considered to socially belong to the European American community have a phenotype similar to Obama's ? Like I said in another thread, the 50/50 racially mixed Obama would have a hard time fooling most people into thinking that he is a dark Mediterranean, let alone fool them into thinking he is an Anglo Saxon. And I think that's one of the main reasons why he identifies more with his Black roots, because he can go to Harlem or the Southside of Chicago and not stick out like a sore thumb from a racial eyeballing standpoint. But you can bet your bottom dollar he would stick out like a sore thumb in say Idaho or Wyoming for example, again from a racial eyeballing standpoint.

William · Posted: Tue 27 May 2008 20:52 Post subject:

fwsweet · Posted: Tue 27 May 2008 21:01 Post subject:

Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

William it depends, they can either be eyeballed as a native if they are one of those very dark Mulatos, or they can be eyeballed as maybe looking like a Horner or a North African for example. One thing is for sure they certainly wouldn't be eyeballed as looking like a White European that's for sure.

Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

fsweet, Obama would not be considered socially White by most Brazilians either. Here is a picture of a Brazilian Oktoberfest in the state of Santa Catarina, which has the largest number of Germans in Brazil. If Obama married one of these German Brazilian women for example I have do doubt that it would be seen as an interracial marriage in the eyes of most Brazilians. Also if you have ever watched Brazilian soap operas, most of the actresses and actors are alot more European looking than Obama. If Obama was considered White by most Brazilians than the soap operas would be dominated by people who look like him. Also if you ever go to an upperclass gated community in Brazil, you will not see too many people who look like Obama other than the limo drivers, maids, gardeners, nannies, etc.

Beauty · Experienced User Joined: 02 Jun 2007 {Posts: 100 }

I have known two people mulatto people who grew up in Africa and apparently were perceived to be white. This probably because in some parts of Africa they are not used to see mixed people.

fwsweet · Posted: Tue 27 May 2008 21:43 Post subject:

This is a formal request for clarification of Bischoff's thesis as per rule 3.6 and its sub-rules.

1. Everywhere that Western culture culture is the norm, a person of 50-50 Afro-Euro admixture is seen as "Black."

2. Nowhere that Western culture culture is the norm, is a person of 50-50 Afro-Euro admixture seen as "White."

3. Nowhere that Western culture culture is the norm, is a person of 50-50 Afro-Euro admixture seen as biracial, mulatto, or any similar "in-between" designation.

This started as a "Why" thread. I understood it to be the "Why" of (2). But I am now confused. Please re-state your thesis clearly.

Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

I am stating that the overwhelming majority of 50/50 SSA/Euro mixed people in Western society do not have the option to "live life as a White person" because it goes back to the eyeballing test. The odds are very low that the offspring of say a Kenyan/German union is going to have a phenotype similar to this guy's for example.

So in countries where Western culture is the dominant culture, such offsprings for the most part are never seen as White, with the exception of a few rare cases where it looks like European physical traits dominates the person's phenotype. But for the most part these 50/50 mixes where the mixed race person has a Black parent that has either little or no European admixture, such mixes usually have a phenotype that is too alien/foreign looking to pass off as a Caucasian European.

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Bischoff · Mentor Joined: 20 Jan 2008 {Posts: 395 }

Actually you are wrong fsweet that Obama would not be considered socially Black anywhere in Brazil. Especially since there are many Brazilians with a phenotype similar to his who self identify themselves as Black. And also since I have access to 2 Brazilian channels on Dish Network (Rede Globo and Rede Record) and I have seen the Brazilian media refer to Obama as Black when they were talking about the possibility of the U.S maybe electing it's first Black president.

Here is a Brazilian singer named Vanessa De Mata who proudly self identifies herself as Black and no one in the Brazilian media challenges her on it. And she is not any Blacker looking than Obama. Infact you will be surprised at how many people who belong to the Afro Brazilian political militant movement who look Mulato/Pardo rather than looking like they just got off the boat from the Portuguese African colony of Angola.

fwsweet · Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 11:53 Post subject: