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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 00:48    Post subject: BLACK BABY IS BORN TO WHITE PAIR Reply with quote

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03222007/news/regionalnews/black_baby_is_born_to_white_pair_regionalnews_todd_venezia.htm


Should a couple be entitled to sue because a fertility clinic mistakenly impregnated the woman with sperm other than her mate's? Click 'Discussion Board' beneath the photo to tell us what you think.

A Park Avenue fertility clinic's blunder has left a family devastated - after a black baby was born to a Hispanic woman and her white husband, the couple charges in a lawsuit.

The mistake, made during in-vitro conception, wasn't discovered until Jessica Andrews was born - and it became clear she didn't look anything like her mom, Nancy, or dad, Thomas, the suit says.

The baby's complexion was much darker than that of her mom - a light-skinned native of the Dominican Republic - or dad.

"Jessica doesn't look like them," said the couple's attorney Howard Stern, of Long Island.

When Thomas and Nancy Andrews asked their doctor, Manhattan obstetrician Martin Keltz, what was going on, he allegedly told them that Jessica's condition was an "abnormality," and assured them she would "get lighter over time," according to the couple's suit, filed in Manhattan Supreme Court.

But they found out the truth when DNA tests proved that Jessica - born in October 2004 - was not conceived with Thomas' sperm.

"Three DNA test were taken, and each one excluded the father," Stern said.

The tests showed that Nancy Andrews is the mother - her egg was used, but with the wrong sperm.

The family is so distraught that they have not even told many of their relatives about the situation. The Andrews fear the natural father may try to come forward and claim rights to the girl, the suit says.

"[Jessica] will never know or be able to determine the identity of her actual father, and will consequently never be able to know her full medical history and condition," the suit also claims.

They also fear that that the unnamed African-American donor's sperm may have been used to dupe other couples, or that another couple may have gotten Thomas Andrews' sperm.

"There is continuing uncertainty . . . as to whether the genetic material of either or both of them has been inappropriately used for others and that they may have natural children or half-children that they are unaware of," the suit said.

Judge Sheila Abdus-Salaam ruled this week that the Andrews' emotional distress suit can go to trial against the fertility clinic - New York Medical Services for Reproductive Medicine, headed by Dr. Reginald Puckett - and the embryologist who allegedly mixed up the samples, Carlo Acosta.

The judge dismissed claims against Keltz because he had no hand in performing the allegedly botched fertilization procedure.

Despite the alleged baby bungle, little Jessica was born healthy.

The Andrews, however, fear that because of the circumstances of her birth "she may be subjected to physical and emotional illness as a result of not being the same race as her parents and siblings," according to their suit.

" The doctors and attorneys for the clinic could not be reached. In court papers, they have claimed they are not legally liable for the sperm screw-up.[/url]
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 01:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

She ent white. She Dominican.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 01:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would seem that the parents made a tactical error when they emphasized the color and nationality differences between themselves and the child. The sheer fact that the lab made an error, and that the child is not genetically related to her husband, should have been the major point of contention. It's certainly reasonable to want the genes of your spouse to be passed on to your child --and they presumably contracted for this. But the parents or at least their lawyer, framed this, in part racially. Perhaps, there is some monetary motive for bringing the racial aspect here. But, in the process they have engendered a backlash.

From one other chat boards that I have visited, the mother and father are not garnering much sympathy. In fact, some would argue that it is the father that is the outlier not so much the younger child.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 06:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salsassin wrote:
She ent white. She Dominican.


She definatley looks like the kind of Dominican that would identify as white. The post does refer to them as a "white pair".


Anyway this is a horrible story, and I agree with Christina. They are certainly entitled to some kind compensation for what was done to their family because of the clinics negligance, but should frame the argument differently.

I mostly feel sorry for the little girl, since the couple (especially the mother) seem to have such a hang up about the child's color, and this may negatively affect her.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 13:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can some of you folks go to blackprof and educate these people.

http://www.blackprof.com/archives/2007/03/parents_of_the_week.html

I tried. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 14:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can some of you folks go to blackprof and educate these people.

http://www.blackprof.com/archives/2007/03/parents_of_the_week.html

I tried. Rolling Eyes

Mr. Dragon Horse, I'm impressed with your efforts. Yep,
Dragon Horse, I've said it before and I'll say it again; the
future of our world is in good hands. You young folks are
going to be alright. You guys never cease to amaze me.
I guess we old guys can relax and let you carry the ball. Very Happy Smile


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 15:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She definatley looks like the kind of Dominican that would identify as white. The post does refer to them as a "white pair".

Actually, she doesn't. In the DR she probably would have classified as India. I know Dominicans that go by White, and she isn't one of them. I suspect the journalist is the one fibbing. Either that, or even in the DR. This woman was self deluded.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 15:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

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She definatley looks like the kind of Dominican that would identify as white. The post does refer to them as a "white pair".

Actually, she doesn't. In the DR she probably would have classified as India. I know Dominicans that go by White, and she isn't one of them. I suspect the journalist is the one fibbing. Either that, or even in the DR. This woman was self deluded.


Does anyone know what criteria Dominicans use to classify themselves "racially"? Is it strictly skin color, or do they incorporate facial features and hair texture, etc.? Do they have a "money whitens" situation like in Brazil?
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 15:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that its quite tragic they could not have found a way to keep this lawsuit sealed or keep this from going to court at all. It really creates a bad situation: For the sake of the lawsuit and getting their $$, the couple has to keep up the "oh were so distrissed at having a "black" baby, we can't go out in public, our lives and our daughter's life are ruined." This is exactly the opposite of what is best for the child in the long run: be as positive as possible about the whole situation as possible-if it wasn't for this mistake, their daughter wouldn't exist. Let her know how special she is and that it is really a "miracle" that she even exists. Chalk it up to fate and be very thankful that she doesn't have a fatal disease. I hope that their quest for $$ does not permanantly damage their daughter's self esteem.

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that they may have natural children or half-children

I realize this was in reference to the plaintiffs as a couple, but I have never heard the term "half-children" before. Strange choice of words. In the future, what are they going to say ... "this is our daughter X, and our half-child, Y?"


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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 15:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is it strictly skin color

I'm pretty sure it is just skin color-indio oscuro, indio claro, blanco, and my category: rubio.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 16:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salsassin wrote:
Phil345 wrote:

She definatley looks like the kind of Dominican that would identify as white. The post does refer to them as a "white pair".

Actually, she doesn't. In the DR she probably would have classified as India. I know Dominicans that go by White, and she isn't one of them. I suspect the journalist is the one fibbing. Either that, or even in the DR. This woman was self deluded.


I met some Dominicans as well as Cubans in Miami who were darker and more African-looking than the woman in the picture who self-identify as Whites. Maybe this 'reclassification' is a function of moving to the U.S.
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PostPosted: Fri 23 Mar 2007 20:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the parents have a right to sue the clinic for mixing up sperm samples. That's basic contract law for an engagement of service.

However, the child is still the mother's blood child. Shouldn't the mother lover her as much?

And, who cares how the mother identifies herself? She's obviously mixed race but if she identifies as 'white,' whatever. However, the mother should be honest enough to realize that her daughter resembles some of her own ancestors.

Mainly, I'm concerned for the child and the psychological damage the parents might do to her. It might be better if she were with parents who had less emotional baggage to dump on the girl for not being the genetic child of both parents. Maybe the DCFS should step in and request the parents go through psychological counseling?
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Mainly, I'm concerned for the child and the psychological damage the parents might do to her. It might be better if she were with parents who had less emotional baggage to dump on the girl for not being the genetic child of both parents. Maybe the DCFS should step in and request the parents go through psychological counseling?


If they are decent people, and they might be, they are probably already having second thoughts about the lawsuit. In the interest of them getting the largest recovery, the complaint (which is where most of the news story comes from) has to make the parents and the child sound as damaged as possible by the whole ordeal. The problem is to do that is to also make them look like superficial colorist jerks. Not a good situation.
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Mainly, I'm concerned for the child and the psychological damage the parents might do to her. It might be better if she were with parents who had less emotional baggage to dump on the girl for not being the genetic child of both parents. Maybe the DCFS should step in and request the parents go through psychological counseling?


If they are decent people, and they might be, they are probably already having second thoughts about the lawsuit. In the interest of them getting the largest recovery, the complaint (which is where most of the news story comes from) has to make the parents and the child sound as damaged as possible by the whole ordeal. The problem is to do that is to also make them look like superficial colorist jerks. Not a good situation.


It's interesting to look at the number of white Hollywood actors who have adopted "black"/biracial children: Spielberg, Cruise, Hugh Jackman, Donna Mills, Michelle Pfeiffer, Jolie & Pitt, etc.

I'm more concerned for the child. Frankly, doesn't she look like a browner version of her sister? Again, I can understand how initially frustrating it would be for the parents to learn of the mishandling of sperm, but millions of happily married couples use sperm donors or egg donors or adopt children or embryos. At some point, blood doesn't make a family.

Where does the child's genetic father come into play here? Does he have any relationship with his child?
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They need to get over it. That child is quite consistent with the looks of the mother. When I saw the mother first and then he headline "two white parents" I thought whats wrong here. Did she think that by marrying a white man she would not have the risk of having a kid with some visible SSAfrican ancestry? While this case might be a mistake most assuredly even with her husbands sperm she can produce a child like that. Looking at the kid while she might be darker she looks as mixedas her mom. I am not sure what kind of hair her mother has as it might be straightened.


And dont make me laugh about emotional stress because she isnt the same "race" as the family. Her self esteem will be fine provided that her mom tells her that both the kid and the mother are of mixed European and African ancestry and thats fine to be like this. Now if the mother perpetrates that she is a white woman and teh girl is a freak then there will be problems.

The girl is the same "race" as her mother. She is female of mixed SSAfrican and White European ancestry. I detect that the mother is upset that marrying a white man didnt wash out this "hated" blood of Africa from her kids veins. Wonder if the kid came out whiter whether there would be as much fuss. Its clear the problem isnt the wrong sperm, but the wrong color.

Do we now wonder about those who claim that its not racism/colorism, but classism that holds blacks down in latin America. Its clear that its not nice to be black, or even be part black as this girl surely is. No wonder "good appearance" in Latin America means "please dont be black, or show too much evidence of it if you want a job here"!
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Does anyone know what criteria Dominicans use to classify themselves "racially"? Is it strictly skin color, or do they incorporate facial features and hair texture, etc.? Do they have a "money whitens" situation like in Brazil?


Good question but irrelevant in this case. Both the mother and child are visibly of European and African ancestry. Folks who rationalize racism by not condemning the money whitens syndrom ought to be ashamed of themselves.

What ought to be the issue is the unknown father making claim to his child, and probable diseases and other defects given that one doesnt know who the father was or what his health profile might be. Its sad that in the 21st century color is still the issue when the child quite clearly can be daughter of the mother. We are not talking about a dark skinned predominantly SSAfrican derived person here.

As a point of note. I have some cousins whose parents look pretty much like that women. Of their 4 kids two came out dark skinned, one mid toned, but still darker than the parents, and one came out very white with blonde hair as a baby, but changed her appearance to look more like the parents as she aged. One never knows what might happen if one or both parents are mixed.
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The girl is the same "race" as her mother. She is female of mixed SSAfrican and White European ancestry. I detect that the mother is upset that marrying a white man didnt wash out this "hated" blood of Africa from her kids veins. Wonder if the kid came out whiter whether there would be as much fuss. Its clear the problem isnt the wrong sperm, but the wrong color.

Which would be colorism, not racism.

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Do we now wonder about those who claim that its not racism/colorism, but classism that holds blacks down in latin America. Its clear that its not nice to be black, or even be part black as this girl surely is. No wonder "good appearance" in Latin America means "please dont be black, or show too much evidence of it if you want a job here"!


The mother had no problem with her other daughter which also looks mixed. Again, colorism, not racism. And not all Dominicans think like her. Nor is the DR, with its rampant anti-Haitianism a gage for the rest of latin America.
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She definatley looks like the kind of Dominican that would identify as white. The post does refer to them as a "white pair".

Actually, she doesn't. In the DR she probably would have classified as India. I know Dominicans that go by White, and she isn't one of them. I suspect the journalist is the one fibbing. Either that, or even in the DR. This woman was self deluded.


I met some Dominicans as well as Cubans in Miami who were darker and more African-looking than the woman in the picture who self-identify as Whites. Maybe this 'reclassification' is a function of moving to the U.S.

Probably. In the US, they are always trying to make you choose. And remember that to many Dominicans Blackness is equated to Haitians back home and African Americans here, with which they have had clashes.
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The mother had no problem with her other daughter which also looks mixed. Again, colorism, not racism. And not all Dominicans think like her. Nor is the DR, with its rampant anti-Haitianism a gage for the rest of latin America.


Really colorism vs. racism. At the end of the day this girl might grow up with serious problems because some one thinks she is too "African". Its more than color here. Its race.

We see some version of this in every country in the Americas where blacks are found. The difference is that in nonHispanic America we talk about these attitudes. In Latin America you guys deny it. BTW Brazilians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Colombians, Panamanians, Venezuelans all have similar attitudes. Please dont put it all on the poor Dominican. Whats ironic is that one can sooner find mulattos in positions of authority in the DR than in most of parts of LAmerica.
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I met some Dominicans as well as Cubans in Miami who were darker and more African-looking than the woman in the picture who self-identify as Whites. Maybe this 'reclassification' is a function of moving to the U.S.

Probably. In the US, they are always trying to make you choose. And remember that to many Dominicans Blackness is equated to Haitians back home and African Americans here, with which they have had clashes.


The USA doesnt give people the opportunity to chose if one looks "black". The choice to be "white" reflects attitudes that these people have about being black, not about being pressured by the bad old USA.

A white American once asked me if I considered myself to be black. I guess he saw the puzzled look on my face and then said that his wife looks like me but doesnt consider herself black, so he wouldnt if I felt the same way. My response to him is if someone is predominantly black in appearnace and in descent then one is black regardless of ethnciity, so whjile I am not African American I am black.


The Dominicans have Haitians. So what excuse do others have for projecting similar disdain for the black part of their heritage?
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