Posted: Fri 05 May 2006 14:47 Post subject: Ethno-nationalism:new interethnic tensions in Latin America
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'Ethno-nationalism’: new interethnic tensions in Latin America
Jul-19-05 - by Luis Esteban González Manrique, del Real Instituto Elcano *
Theme: In his latest report on global trends, the United States National Intelligence Council mentions 'militant indigenism’ associated with anti-Americanism as one of the potential hazards for hemispheric security.
Summary: In many Latin American countries the proliferation of new 'armed actors’ is linked with the gradual organising of ethnic groups claiming a greater degree of territorial and political autonomy. The Movimiento al Socialismo (Movement towards Socialism, MAS) led by Evo Morales in Bolivia, the Confederación de Nacionalidades Indígenas (Confederation of Indigenous Nationalities of Ecuador, also known by its Spanish acronym Conaie) in Ecuador and the Movimiento Etnocacerista ('Ethno-cacerista’ Movement, also known by its Spanish acronym ME) in Peru, denounce the ethnic discrimination of 'native nations’. Even in Venezuela certain sectors of Chavism talk of the oligarchy’s presumed struggle against mestizos (mixed race of white and Indian ancestry) and mulatos (mixed race, of black and white ancestry). Elizabeth Burgos, a Venezuelan analyst, defines the 'Bolivarian’ process as 'national-ethnic-populism with traces of neofacism’, a type of inverted racism sponsored by Chávez as part of his continental revolution. The economic consequences could be dangerous if this phenomenon were to jeopardise the exploitation of natural resources –gas, oil, gold…– in territories with a significant indigenous population.
Analysis: In its latest study of global trends for the next 15 years –Mapping the Global Future: Report of the National Intelligence Council’s 2020 Project–, the United States National Intelligence Council devotes very few pages to Latin America, but its diagnosis of the main threat to security in the region is clear: the failure of governments to find solutions to extreme poverty and ingovernability could encourage populism, radical indigenism, terrorism, organised crime and anti-American feeling. At the same time, Dirk Kruijt and Kees Kooning, in their book Armed Actors: Organized Violence and State Failure in Latin America stress that the proliferation of 'armed actors’ in the region is partly due to ethnic tensions that are violently erupting in various countries, particularly in the central Andean nucleus: Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia.
Some groups reject globalisation, perceived as a homogenising phenomenon that undermines their cultures with an economic model based on the exploitation of indigenous populations and their ecosystems. Michael Radu, of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, has criticised Washington’s 'paralysis’ when faced with the 'increasing radicalisation of indigenous peoples in the central Andean region’. In turn, Michael Weinstein foresees a new 'cycle of instability’ in the central Andes, the signs of which are 'massive protest marches, road blocks, the taking of official buildings, regional rebellion, uninvolved governments and anti-constitutional attempts by governments to extend their powers’.
For example, Humala from Peru is anti-asian, due to the disproportionate power asians have with creoles
And the mexican revolution didn't end up so well, our politicians look more white with each generation
Altough you must admit places in South America need this.
Bolivian discrimination is awful, and their whites are one of the most vile creatures in the world.
And Besides, Morales has a creole as vicepresident, if you are looking for "racism" as scientific racism, only places like bolivia can aford it.
Humala looks a little mixed and Chavez sometimes gets really light.
As humala says, maybe some white has indian ancestors, but he is more loyal and usefull as a full indian or a mestizo who works for his masters.
And above all else: All of them adore Fidel Castro.
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Posted: Fri 05 May 2006 23:36 Post subject: Indigenous
G-Man wrote:
Or will be no less corrupt or authoritarian than what it replaces.
Hi,
The problem of the "Indigeous" movement in Latin America, particularly in the Andes region (Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Colombia), is that pretty easy turn into very nationalistic causes. In the past, the dream of going back to the "good days" of the Inca Empire, for instance, produced wars between countries.
Another problem is what mention "Salssasin" that is the discrimination against non-Indians. That's a very conflictive issue in countries were most people is mixed.
Finally, movements like the communists and the ecologists usually use the indian movements for their own goals.
Well they discriminate against non-indians but not for mixed people.
Indians and poor mestizos are the same for them, there are rich mestizos that never had any sense of beign indian, most of them are seen as white, universities jobs or nightclubs had never closed the doors to them, is pretty common to be considered "guero" in mexico, and in the usa aparently everyone can see the indian blood. That's the mestizos the ethnic movements don't want.
The discrimination is against whites, asians and in a big scale, against blacks. I could tell you most ethnic pride movements in mexico could accept you if you look completely asian or white as long as you have an indian relative. But even a small ammount of black blood is a sin to them (and a lot of mexicans have at least one black ancestor)
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Posted: Sat 06 May 2006 19:21 Post subject: Mestizos
interesado wrote:
..there are rich mestizos that never had any sense of beign indian, most of them are seen as white, universities jobs or nightclubs had never closed the doors to them, is pretty common to be considered "guero" in mexico, and in the usa aparently everyone can see the indian blood. That's the mestizos the ethnic movements don't want.
Hi,
You are just described the Chilean population. In here people never ever think of being mestizos but just whites. Genetics tell we are, though.
In the case of Indians, in here is different than in Mexico. In here most natives were assimilated and there are only three ethnic native groups that remain: Easter Islander, who are polynesians; Aymara Natives, whose territories were captured after a war with Peru; and Mapuche Natives, whose territories were captured at the end of the 19th century.
Yes. Mestizos usually think they are white. That happens all over Latin America and also in the United States. Have you noticed that there are not Mestizos in the United States? Well, that's not true. It is just that they hide behind the label "white", like anywhere else.
I don't know why mestizos are this way, but we are.
Apreciados Compañer@s:
Después de todo un proceso de lucha por la inclusión social del Movimiento de Afrodescendientes de Bolivia, una vez más volvemos a ser objeto de burla, discriminación y marginación. También del gobierno del señor Juan Evo Morales, a pesar de que el partido del MAS es el instrumento político del pueblo de las grandes mayorías marginadas de este país que pregono antes y ahora que es gobierno la inclusión de todos los sectores sociales especialmente de los marginados y discriminados como es nuestro pueblo afrodescendiente al igual que otros pueblos excluidos de este país.
Rechazamos la actitud de discriminación, marginación y exclusión que el gobierno ejerce en contra de nuestro pueblo; puesto que nuestros candidatos y candidatas fueron borrados arbitrariamente de las listas para participar en la Asamblea Constituyente por las diferentes circunscripciones que nos corresponden por moral histórica, etc. por decisiones de conveniencia partidaria del MAS en el ultimo momento de la inscripción a los candidatos /as en la Corte Nacional Electoral cambiaron los nombres de nuestros postulantes por personas no afros quienes no nos representan y no conocen nuestra realidad peor nuestras propuestas.
Aclaramos que estamos exigiendo el respeto a nuestros derechos como ciudadanos/as y no es que estamos pidiendo un favor.
Razón por la cual les solicitamos a usted/es su apoyo y solidaridad con los Afrodescendientes de Bolivia, presionando al gobierno para acceda a darnos los espacios que nos corresponden y así podamos tener participación dentro de la Asamblea Constituyente como indica la Constitución Política del Estado en su Articulo numero uno.
Por todo lo sucedido manifestamos que nuestra lucha de huelga continuara hasta las ultimas consecuencias
And i would be interested in seen how many of those supossed "afrodescendents" are seen as indian and leave between them.
Had you ever seen the "Mexico Negro" website and their great heroes.
Or the way they say many afro population had been "whitening" over the years.
Or the stupid way they tend to proclaim that Zapata, Carranza, Cardenas where "passing" as white, or even worst, as indian, but they were really black.
As the CIA says, under 1% of the population is of african descent.
I just see stupid that a country where the vast majority is discriminated, and at least have a voice with Evo is trying to be corrupted because a tiny minority also wants power.
With Evo policies, their population is going to get benefits also.
As the CIA says, under 1% of the population is of african descent.
The CIA booklet says that its numbers reflect "ethnicity," not descent nor ancestry. Furthermore, the CIA has never explained where they got their numbers, much less what "ethnicity" means in Latin America. Hence, their numbers are not very persuasive. I would suggest using something with a more solid base of data, such as http://backintyme.com/admixture/sans02.pdf.
As the CIA says, under 1% of the population is of african descent.
I just see stupid that a country where the vast majority is discriminated, and at least have a voice with Evo is trying to be corrupted because a tiny minority also wants power.
With Evo policies, their population is going to get benefits also.
So what? If seats were promised, then taken away they are betrayed. And it is minorities that get exploited. So their small number means more danger to them.
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Posted: Mon 08 May 2006 04:02 Post subject: Minorities
Salsassin wrote:
So what? If seats were promised, then taken away they are betrayed. And it is minorities that get exploited. So their small number means more danger to them.
Hi,
As Salsassin explains, Blacks in Bolivia is a very small minority. I believe that to say they represent the 1% of the population is quite exagerated. Perhaps 0.05% could be close to the true.
For the curious people, how to get a good idea of how many Black people live in any country of Latin America? See the national soccer teams. Is like seeing the Basketball teams in the U.S. The reason is simple. It's because Black people are usually better atlethes than the rest. So in soccer teams their presence is important, particularly in the national selections.
Countries like Cuba and Brazil has lots of Black players in their teams. And others countries like Peru and Colombia, where Blacks are around the 5% of the population, most of their soccer national selections are made of Black players. Pick the pictures of national selections and compare them. The selections of other countries like Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina and Mexico, have almost no Black player whatsoever because that ethnicity is not present in the population or the number is quite small.
Now, the problem of Bolivia is ethnic. A small mestizo-white minority control a country that is mainly Indian. That's the "racial" problem of Bolivia.
Salssasin should know Bolivia has not a large minority of Black people like Peru has. And also should know that in most countries of the Andes the problem is the ethnic divide that exist between Indians and the upper classes of mestizos and whites to have the power. Actually, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador and, perhaps, Paraguay and Colombia could be considered dual societies: a Native society side by side a Western upper class.
So what? If seats were promised, then taken away they are betrayed. And it is minorities that get exploited. So their small number means more danger to them.
It really doesn't explain what happened with MAS.
Again, i really believed something could happen in bolivia, a place in south america in which really things are polaraized, creole-indian, one of the only places where an "evil third class" wouldn't bother.
This movement is pathetic, as i know there are gypsies in bolivia, also menonites, asians. Why they don't ask for representation?
Maybe this is a good example as how this kind of movements can discriminate, but not bacause they denyed a seat for a race specific group.
As i told, MAS has creoles, the vicepresident is creole, they where discriminated? no, now imagine if the "white aryan spaniard conquistador army" tried to apply for the congress?
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