Egmond Codfried
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| fwsweet wrote: |
Unless you have something to add beyond your claim that Euro arstocracy was of subsaharan appearance, based on non-replicable evidence, I would like to consider the topic closed. |
[President Thomas Jefferson]
Dear Mr. Sweet,
My claim is that the European aristocracy 1500-1789 was 'a endogamic, fixed mulatto race, with some looking more African, Asian or White, but sharing a Black identity, Bleu Blood, symbolised by a SSA looking Moor.'
You already know about dear Thomas Jefferson, who is believed to have Middle Eastern DNA. People have narrowed it down to Jewish DNA. Jews spent long time in Africa, so there is bound to show up some kind of African DNA among them. Do you know of a study on Jews and their DNA? Many European Jews were forced after the Middle Ages to convert to Christianity. Many did, and their DNA was added to that of the Christian population.
In this article from science.blog they also mention African DNA in Europe.
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Thomas Jefferson may have been Middle Eastern
DNA testing carried out by University of Leicester geneticists and funded by The Wellcome Trust has thrown new light on the ancestry of one of the USA’s most revered figures, the third President, Thomas Jefferson.
Almost 10 years ago, the University of Leicester team, led by Professor Mark Jobling, together with international collaborators, showed that Thomas Jefferson had fathered at least one of the sons of Sally Hemings, a slave of Jefferson’s.
The work was done using the Y chromosome, a male-specific part of our DNA that passes down from father to son. Jefferson carried a very unusual Y chromosome type, which helped to strengthen the evidence in the historical paternity case.
Now, new techniques have been brought to bear on Jefferson’s Y chromosome, in a study reported in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. The presidential chromosome turns out to belong to a rare class called ‘K2’, which is found at its highest frequency in the Middle East and Eastern Africa, including Oman, Somalia and Iraq. Its closest match was in a man from Egypt. Could this mean that the President had recent ancestry in the Middle East? A careful survey revealed a few K2 chromosomes in France, Spain and England. Together, the K2s form a diverse group that may, in fact, have been in western Europe for many thousands of years.
Further evidence for Jefferson’s British origins come from the finding that two out of 85 randomly recruited men named Jefferson share exactly the same Y chromosome as the President. Prof Jobling said: ‘The two men have ancestry in Yorkshire and the West Midlands, and knew of no historical connection to the USA. They were amazed and fascinated by the link, which connects them into Thomas Jefferson’s family tree, probably about 11 generations ago.’
The ultimate origins of K2 chromosomes remain a mystery, however, and need further investigation: while they may have been present in Europe since the Stone Age, another possibility is that K2s came to Europe with the Phoenicians, an ancient maritime trading culture that spread out across the Mediterranean from their home in what is now Lebanon. The US media has taken up a different theory, leading to the New York Times headline, ‘Jefferson – the first Jewish president?’: European K2 chromosomes may originate in Sephardic (Spanish) Jewish populations, who have their ultimate origins in the Middle East.
Prof Jobling said: ‘When we look closely at large collections of British Y chromosomes we find surprises, like this rare K2 lineage, and the African chromosome that we recently found in a Yorkshireman. These exotic chromosomes remind us of the complexity of British history and prehistory.’
Source University of Leicester
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Fri 25 Jul 2008 15:19 Post subject: |
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| I would really like to have a citation to the original study. I do not believe that any reputable scholar would anachronistically label someone who has been dead for nearly two centuries, with a modern-day geo-political label, merely on the basis of a Y haplotype that is present everywhere, just because the haplotype apparently originated in the middle east many thousands of years ago. |
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