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| BlackHaze wrote: | In my opinion, Africans and Asians look very much alike. both tend to have more prognathic jaws and wider noses than europeans do so i find it interesting that the paper's third study failed to find an ape association with other non-white groups.
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The following is from a post I made at mulatto.org just yesterday in a thread I started on "Why 'Race' is Illogical".
"Asian" (Japanese) - Ken Watanabe
"Black" - Laurence Fishburne
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gemini072
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It is very likely that the Negroes of the United States have a fairly correct idea of what the white people of the country think of them,
for that opinion has for a long time been and is still being constantly stated;
but they are themselves more or less a sphinx to the whites.
-James Weldon Johnson, The Autobiography of an Ex-Colored Man
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Salsassin
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| BlackHaze wrote: | I certainly didn't need a study to know this. Discrimination against blacks has always been linked to dehumanization and I don't expect that to change any time soon. In my opinion, Africans and Asians look very much alike. both tend to have more prognathic jaws and wider noses than europeans do so i find it interesting that the paper's third study failed to find an ape association with other non-white groups.
Even though chimps have silky hair and pale skin underneath, they do have broad facial features, that's probably why blacks are compared to them. But then again, I've read that some English people compare the Irish to apes as well. |
Prognathism in Asian populations is less developed than in African populations on average and where alveolar prognathism is more common. There are exceptions to the rule, but you are talking about Asians in general so I am just going by what I have read overall on Asians. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Fri 15 Feb 2008 18:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Frontal and Facial Flatness of Major Human Populations
Tsunehiko Hanihara (2000)
Am J Phys Anthro
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The standardized coefficients for the variables of the first factor indicate the relationship between the prominence of the infraglabellar notch, prognathism, and frontal flatness in the sagittal plane and frontoorbital flatness and, to a lesser extent, nasal flatness. The plots of the samples on the first canonical variates, based on the scores of the canonical variables in each sample, are presented in Figures 7a,b. The first variable group (Fig. 7a) opposes the Australian/Melanesian samples to the east/northeast Asian samples. The positive, or Australian/Melanesian end, reflects a relatively prominent infraglabellar notch and marked prognathism with a sagittally flat frontal bone. Some of subSaharan African samples are plotted on the positive or Australian/Melanesian side. On the other hand, the European samples, together with the north African, west Asian, and Indian subcontinent samples, are scattered on the opposed side. Figure 7b indicates the magnitude of the projection of midfacial region in the transverse plane without prognathism. The positive end, reflecting flat fronto-orbital and nasal portions, signals a decided eastern Asian and Pacific configuration together with some subSaharan African samples. The degree of facial projection of some New World samples and Australian samples is comparable to those of samples from south Asia to Europe through west Asia and north Africa.
[ See link below for sample details ]
Discussion
The results presented herein suggest that the features relating to frontal and facial flatness are largely confined to populations from differing world regions: 1) the considerable flatness of the faces of east/northeast Asians, and to a lesser extent, of southeast Asians; 2) morphological complexes such as a deep infraglabellar notch and sagittally flat frontal bone with facial prognathism in Australians and Melanesians; 3) rounded forehead comparable to that in northeast Asians and transversely projecting faces as in Europeans found in the New World populations; 4) eastern Asian-like features in Polynesians and Micronesians, except for a projecting zygomaxillary region; 5) midfacial projection without prognathism in Europeans and related populations such as south and west Asians as well as north Africans; and 6) remarkable prognathism and very flat nasal bones in SubSaharan Africans.
http://www.femininebeauty.info/hanihara.flatness.pdf |
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G-Man
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| Posted: Mon 18 Feb 2008 21:58 Post subject: |
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| BlackHaze wrote: | | Even though chimps have silky hair and pale skin underneath, they do have broad facial features, that's probably why blacks are compared to them. But then again, I've read that some English people compare the Irish to apes as well. |
When the Irish came to the United States in the mid 18th Century, there were anti-Irish posters depicting them as simian-like leprachauns. In Matthew Frye Jacobson's book, Whiteness of a Different Color: European Immigrants and the Alchemy of Race, there are some copies of those posters from the late 18th Century. |
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gs56ca
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| Posted: Mon 03 Mar 2008 03:11 Post subject: I am so surprised |
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| It really isn't people will continue with this as long as they are influenced by outside media sources. And the media, will continue, I should have not have been born in this world, and stayed in heaven. |
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pianoplayer111
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| Posted: Mon 17 Mar 2008 05:31 Post subject: This is nothing new... |
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I've heard of black women being called "gorillas" based on appearance. And I know that many people fail to see the humanity of black people. It is very sad, but nothing new.  |
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ArabianKnight
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I was serfing the racist forum known by its common name stormfront, iam sure that some of you might know of it, in fact most of the racism is targetted at Blacks. Blacks have low IQ, Blacks are to their to steal White women, Blacks are Criminals ect. Sadly their even non-White peoples their attacking Blacks, they think they would get a favour with the racist Whites. Ususally Asians, some Hispanics, and yes sadly even some Arabs.
To be honest I used to have racist attitude toward Blacks also, which iam very ashamed of now. I no longer hold racist attitudes anmyore at all. My parents always tought me racims is evil. Iam thankful for that. |
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ArabianKnight
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| gemini072 wrote: | | MisterLawyer wrote: | | I can't remember where I read it but there was a recent article about Chinese companies developing infrastructure in Angola that focused in part on the interaction between the Chinese and the Angolan laborers. According to the article, both the Chinese and the Angolans accuse the the others of looking like apes. I will try to find it. |
As well many Asians have similar looks that could be compared to apes or orangutans
The term Guinea is used towards Italians and they use it toward each other.
Isn't the guinea some kind of monkey or the rodent?
Jews from a half Rat half Pig?
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Yes its kind of rodent, but not a monkey. The reason
Italians are called Gunieas is because people belived that especially Southern Italians had African ancestory, thus it was used an inslut and it became a racial slur against Italians by the Anglo-Americans.
Guniea is considered very offensive and hurtful to Italians or people of Italian decent. Since its brings meomries of the hardships that Italians faced in the U.S. |
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Bischoff
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| I once saw a young Italian American male with a t-shirt that said "Proud To Be A Guinea" when I was in Coney Island last year. I take it is seen as a term of endearment among young Italian American males (the same way AA males embrace Nigga as a term of endearment among themselves) from the Northeast region of the U.S who belong to the whole Guido culture. |
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gemini072
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| Bischoff wrote: | | I once saw a young Italian American male with a t-shirt that said "Proud To Be A Guinea" when I was in Coney Island last year. I take it is seen as a term of endearment among young Italian American males (the same way AA males embrace Nigga as a term of endearment among themselves) from the Northeast region of the U.S who belong to the whole Guido culture. |
A few years ago, Oprah had 2 Italian ladies who went into business together:Clothers or shoes and their business was call Duo WOP / 2 Wops |
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gemini072
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I posted one a while back like this but in Long Island |
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holdtight
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| MisterLawyer wrote: | | I can't remember where I read it but there was a recent article about Chinese companies developing infrastructure in Angola that focused in part on the interaction between the Chinese and the Angolan laborers. According to the article, both the Chinese and the Angolans accuse the the others of looking like apes. I will try to find it. |
This one hits home. I am an AA and I was in Shanghai last year. I was walking in the Bund area. I got some looks but this one woman passed me. I happened to turn around. I could tell that to her I was something special to see. She smiled/laughed widely. At that moment to me it was an ape like grin. I laughed to my self at the thought of two people looking at each other and seeing the same thing.
I think that no matter where you believe humans came from we are creatures of this earth not aliens. Therefore to not resemble any of these creatures would be unusual. I do believe that myself and the woman saw "otherness". That "otherness" we both saw was of something not usual and therefore alarming or funny. Imagine seeing a person with the largest head you have ever seen. You may laugh, I would, or maybe be repulsed because you cannot have imagined such a sight. Having your wits about you and not being rude is what you should be ready to do.
In the same area a week later it was crowded. I was standing near the riverfront when a hand reached around low and snapped a picture of me. It was a young girl with another girl. I took my camera reached around and snapped a picture of her. They both laughed and I offered to take a picture with her. People asked a few times to take pictures. At first I would get upset then I thought maybe I could make some money with this, 100 RMB a shot?
I will say that most of the people that saw me in China were not rude at all. Some looked but looked away when I looked back. They did not want to be rude. Some laughed and I wanted to smack them but it was always when I was too far away or unsure. I would remind myself of what a Chinese jail would be like and keep moving. One young lady working in the Sheraton visibly gasped. They guy with her told her "come on" and they got in the elevator. I have a bad sense of humor and imagine if I was in the elevator alone with her I would have coward in the corner as if I was afraid of her. Then laughed.
Ladies I do now know how obvious my tactics are for getting a look at women. I noticed people doing it to me. They would see me then look the opposite way and slowly pan over to get a look. I guess I will stop doing that one and just stare if I am obvious anyway. |
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Spiral
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| Posted: Fri 25 Jul 2008 13:32 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | In the same area a week later it was crowded. I was standing near the riverfront when a hand reached around low and snapped a picture of me. It was a young girl with another girl. I took my camera reached around and snapped a picture of her. They both laughed and I offered to take a picture with her. People asked a few times to take pictures. At first I would get upset then I thought maybe I could make some money with this, 100 RMB a shot?
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The same thing happen to my Sister a while back when she was in Eastern Germany near the Polish border, people where just walking up to her asking to have themselves photographed with her.  |
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| Spiral are you stationed in Germany? I was there last fall and went on a trip from the Frankfurt area to Usti in the Czech Republic. Sorry but I have no stories. No one paid me much attention. I have to admit I was scared to cross that border. |
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| holdtight wrote: | | Spiral are you stationed in Germany? I was there last fall and went on a trip from the Frankfurt area to Usti in the Czech Republic. Sorry but I have no stories. No one paid me much attention. I have to admit I was scared to cross that border. |
No, not even in the U.S. Military or a U.S. citizen , Your story above reminded me of something my Sister told me of what happen to her on one of her Many journeys through Europe.
My Sister an I are really "Mixed -up " , so they have never seen anybody looking like her, so they wanted pics.
I never had any problems, but my Sis did admit she was worried one time during a Visit to Italy of all places when they (Italian youths ) were attacking Foreigners and Tourist , especially Africans, but things were Ok, people in Northern Italy thought she was Sicilian until she spoke  |
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