Posted: Tue 15 Jul 2008 13:41 Post subject: Temporary Suspension of Salsassin's Posting Priviledge
I have temporily held up Salsassin's posting privilege in order to stop his flood of counterproductive messages, like the following:
Salsassin wrote:
Egmond Codfried wrote:
So what I discovered that some of these people were conciously striving to keep the colour going
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by only marriying among each other.
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The Blackness was not 'Mendled out' as some suggested
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fake whitened portraits
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The Bleu Blood was 'Mendled in.'
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baron van Wassenaer, 20th century, would still be described as a 'White Negro' by all who saw him
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marvelled at his tall and narrow frame, red frizzy hair and prognastic lips.
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According to the baroness, he even taught he had Black Blood, and 'had extremely dry skin.' But now they claim not to know were it came from. I say it was there in all his sixteen noble ancestors, from the foremost noble Dutch families.
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The problem is that such figurative deafness does not lead to productive discussion and, more importantly, Salsassin's flood of messages merely repeating the same objections interferes with anyone else methodically considering the issues at hand (especially me). Once we have clarified the opposing theses in the two threads in which Salsassin is presently (hyper)active, we shall address the question of his longer-term posting priviledges.
Salsassin's most recent suspension was for four months. His next one will be for eight months. As explained in The Rules 5.2, the more suspensions a member accumulates, the less patient the management team will be. In Salsassin's case, management has become very impatient indeed.
Salsassin gives the impression that he seeks to win arguments, rather than to inform or to become informed about U.S. racialism. Indeed, his recent assertion that he deliberately seeks suspension if it will let him say his piece is deeply troubling. Salsassin's avalanche of repetitive, content-free attacks on Codfried's position do nothing to persuade Codfried to contemplate precisely what he was trying to get across. And his recent string of fraudulent claims about links addressing population tallness suggest that Salsassin has little interest in the search for factual reality.
I am lifting the temporary suspension now. But I strongly urge Salsassin to limit himself to three messages per day and to give serious thought to why he is here. If he cannot embrace the site goal (to inform and to become informed) and reject his apparent goal of trying to "win" zero-sum arguments, then this is not the site for him.
Henceforth, any suspicion on the part of any moderator that Salsassin is simply trying to "win" an argument rather than trying to inform or to become informed will result in immediate suspension for eight months.
I suspect, and this is my opinion, that Frank si becoming lax in his request for evidence as a string of unsubstantiated claims such as those posted on that thread would have never flown a few years ago.
The problem that the interested moderators (William, Misterlawyer, and I) are having is figuring out precisely what Codfried is claiming.
If he were clearly claiming that they were of M.I. 80 or more (not really "pitch black," but close enough) it would be easy to correct. They were not. If he were clearly claiming that they had some Afro (SSA) ancestry, it would be a no-brainer. They did. And if he were clearly claiming that they self-identified as "Black" in the ethno-political sense found only in modern nations, again, it would be easy to address. They did not.
The problem is precisely lack of clarity as to just what is his thesis. It may well be that he cannot (or will not) articulate a clear thesis. If so, we will find out soon enough. Until then, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt, assuming for now that he has something interesting to say but just cannot express it as clearly as we are accustomed to.
That link goes to one man's non-peer-reviewed opinion, unsupported by evidence or any way of finding his source of evidence. Is this really what you want to go with to support your claim about the Dutch? If so, so be it. Just keep in mind that the same article flatly contradicts your allegation about the pygmies. It says, "The shortest people in the world today are the Mbuti, the Efe, and other Pygmy peoples of Central Africa." Again, with no way of verifying the assertion.
As your link went to the Columbia Encyclopedia, just as unreferenced. "Often" is a subjective term. Not an average.
http://www.wisegeek.com/which-country-has-the-tallest-people.htm
It also states that the "some" another subjective qualifier are almost 7 feet tall.
The average by nation still goes to the Dutch.
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Or here where the Tutsi are 5'8 http://www.jstor.org/pss/217175
The link says nothing of the sort. It makes no mention of height. Either correct the link or retract it.
Actually it does. But you have to access it in a university to see the full article.
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Salsassin wrote:
Go to google books and search with Tutsi averge height and the findings are consistent.
It does not work that way. You make a suspicious claim that contradicts common knowledge, you must back it up when challenged. The challenger need not do anything.
You claim it is common, but you have not substantiated it. A claim of fact without verification.
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Salsassin wrote:
Here it has the Masai at 5'6 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Maasai-79683.shtml
The link says nothing of the sort. It says that the Maasai (note the correct spelling) descend from Nilotic Sudanese tribes that average.... Either correct the link or retract it.
I missread:
The Nilotic tribes belong to the Sudanese type of Black Africans. They are tall (average height significantly over 1.7 m or 5.6 ft).
Do you have a source for the Masai?
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Salsassin wrote:
There seem to be small populations of Masai taller http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/316/7149/1929/b
The link says nothing of the sort. In fact, it flatly contradicts you by saying that the Maasai are among the populations who are taller than the Dutch. The passage to which you allude simply makes the point, which apparently escapes you, that while the Netherlands may have the tallest average of any nation, there are many peoples (population groups) who are taller. This is because the Maasai (as a people)are scattered among nations filled with much shorter people. Hence national averages cannot show the distinctly tall peoples (population groups) within nations. Either correct the link or retract it.
That is what I stated, The Dutch also have many ancestries. So we can only go by national average. But even if they were the tallest Africa is not the locale for the shortest.
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Salsassin wrote:
But overall the Dutch are the tallest, and if we go look at world records, almost all are in Eurasia.
Stop reasserting your unsubstantiated claim.
Overall=as a nation.
ear of Birth listing: Individuals in medical history reaching 8' (244 cm) or greater in height
* Flag of Ireland Patrick Cotter O'Brien (46) - (1760 - 1806), Irish: 8'1" (246 cm).
* Flag of Austria Franz Winkelmeier (27) - (1860 - 1887), Austrian: 8'6" (259 cm).
* Flag of Germany Julius Koch (29) - (1872 - 1902), German: 8'1" (246 cm).
* Flag of Canada Édouard Beaupré (23) - (1881 - 1904), Canadian: 8'3" (252 cm).
* Flag of the United States Bernard Coyne (23) - (1897 - 1921), American (US): 8'2" (249 cm).
* Flag of Finland Väinö Myllyrinne (54) - (1909 - 1963), Finnish: 8'1¼".
* Flag of the United States Robert Wadlow (22) - (1918 - 1940), American (US): 8'11 (272 cm) - Tallest person in medical history for whom there is irrefutable evidence.
* Flag of the United States Don Koehler (55) - (1925 - 1981), American (US): 8'2" (249 cm).
* Flag of the United States John F. Carroll (37) - (1932 - 1969), American (US): Stood 8' (244 cm) tall because of spinal curvature, full height 8'7¾" (264 cm).
* Flag of Libya Suleiman Ali Nashnush (4 - (1943 - 1991), Libyan: 8'½" (245 cm).
* Flag of Mozambique Gabriel Estêvão Monjane (46) - (1944 - 1990), Mozambiquan: 8'1" (246 cm).
* Flag of the People's Republic of China Zeng Jinlian (17) - (1964 - 1982), Chinese: 8'2" (249 cm) - Tallest female in medical history for whom there is irrefutable evidence and only female to reach a height of 8' (244 cm).
* Flag of Ukraine Leonid Stadnyk (36*) - (born 1971), Ukrainian: 8'6" (259 cm).
10 of European ancestry. 1 of Sub Saharan ancestry.
The link says nothing of the sort. It claims that they average 4' 11 (actually, 4' 10.7"). This is a bit taller than the African pygmies. Either correct the link or retract it.
"The average height of males is 149 cm; of females, 137 cm."
If the population is gender simmetrical: estimate 143cm
143 cm = 56.3 in
That is 4'8.3"
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Add the Flores Pygmies recently found http://www.athenapub.com/flores.htm
The link says nothing of the sort. The very researchers who found this small community suspect that they are simply dwarves or midgets, a phenomenon common around the world. Either correct the link or retract it.
Sorry Frank, but dwarfism, nor midgets do not usually go through an entire population. And all with proportional bodies?
No, they are well within the regular Negrito type populations.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,501050606-1066965,00.html
Classified as Indonesian Pygmies or Negrito.
No evidence of a genetic disorder. And shorter than Pygmies.
It is up to you know to prove the extraordinary claims that populations of dwarves, not just individuals are common to the world.
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Salsassin wrote:
Please show me a population in Africa that is lighter than Utretch Dutch or darker than the Darwin Aborigines.
You misunderstand. We were talking about diversity of skin tone within Africa. Of course northern Europeans are oddly depigmented (hair, skin, eyes). The point was that skin tone variation among individuals within Europe, or among individuals within North Africa, or among individuals within West Asia, or among individuals within Southwest Asia, or among individuals within Australasia, or among individuals within the New World is trivial compared to the huge differences among individuals within subsaharan Africa. That is what we were talking about: the huge skin tone variation among subsaharan Africans.
Why go by political subdivisions though? The continents to compare are Eurasia vs Africa.
Henceforth, any suspicion on the part of any moderator that Salsassin is simply trying to "win" an argument rather than trying to inform or to become informed will result in immediate suspension for eight months.
Salsassin wrote:
The average by nation still goes to the Dutch. ... Do you have a source for the Masai? ... we can only go by national average.
If Salsassin had been talking only about about national averages, the Watutsi, Maasai, Pygmies, Negritos, and small Indonesians would never have come up. If he had been honestly interested in height adaptations in different genetic populations, the issue of national averages would not now suddenly emerge.
I suspect that Salsassin is simply trying to "win" an argument rather than trying to inform or to become informed. His posting privilege is hereby suspended until midnight, March 14, 2009.
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Posted: Thu 17 Jul 2008 00:44 Post subject:
ahh...Salsassin is definitely one of the more interesting characters/posters on this forum. Seems to know what he's talking about for the most part, so i'm a bit disappointed he's suspended again...but looks like he dug his own grave.
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- (1943 - 1991), Libyan: 8'½" (245 cm).