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PostPosted: Mon 14 Jul 2008 22:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would dispute that claim. Could you show me how height is the shortest and highest in Africa? The tallest in the world are the Dutch and the shortest are some of the negrito populations in Asia. The lightest skin is in Europe an the darkest in Asia, or atleast parallel to Africa.. There are bunch of traits that are not the most extreme in Africa. Africa has the largest variety of Genotypes, but it also has the largest chance of new mutations being bred out from what I read a while back.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2008 01:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salsassin wrote:
The tallest in the world are the Dutch and the shortest are some of the negrito populations in Asia.

Really? Do you have any numbers? How do the Dutch compare with the Watutsi or the Maasai? We had some Maasai dancers here at the Florida Folk Festival a couple of years ago, and those guys averaged about 7 feet. Also, according to the Columbia Encyclopedia, "The Tutsi are spectacularly tall, often 7 ft (2.1 m) in height. This makes them easily tower a good foot above the Dutch. And how do the Negritos compare with the Mbuti or Ituri pygmies, whose adult males average about four feet?

Regarding skin-tone variation, the link that I posted opens a PDF of a peer-reviewed article in a scholarly journal. If you have something that contradicts it, now is the time to present it.
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Salsassin wrote:
The tallest in the world are the Dutch and the shortest are some of the negrito populations in Asia.

Really? Do you have any numbers? How do the Dutch compare with the Watutsi or the Maasai? We had some Maasai dancers here at the Florida Folk Festival a couple of years ago, and those guys averaged about 7 feet. Also, according to the Columbia Encyclopedia, "The Tutsi are spectacularly tall, often 7 ft (2.1 m) in height. This makes them easily tower a good foot above the Dutch. And how do the Negritos compare with the Mbuti or Ituri pygmies, whose adult males average about four feet?


Not according to this source:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n2_v19/ai_20159533/pg_2
Which as the average Tutsi as 5'7 and the average Mbuti male at 4'9
Or here where the Tutsi are 5'8
http://www.jstor.org/pss/217175
Go to google books and search with Tutsi averge height and the findings are consistent.
Here it has the Masai at 5'6
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Maasai-79683.shtml
There seem to be small populations of Masai taller
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/316/7149/1929/b
But overall the Dutch are the tallest, and if we go look at world records, almost all are in Eurasia.

Now when it comes to shortest the Andamanese average at 4'8
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/andaman-islands/the-andamanese.html
And when you go for records again. Eurasia.

Oh yeah, add the Flores Pygmies recently found
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In April 2005, Indonesian researchers reported the existence of a pygmy community only about 1km from the Liang Bua cave, in the village of Rampapasa (Kompas Daily, 29 Apr. 2005). The village currently contains some seventy-seven pygmy families, comprising about 80% of the Rampapasa villagers, with most male adults under 145cm (4 ft, 7 in), and female adults about 135cm (4 ft 4 in). The hobbit skeleton would have belonged to an individual who stood about 3-foot 5-inches. Brown, Morwood and their colleagues, meanwhile, have begun testing on Java for further evidence of extinct populations of Homo floriensis.

http://www.athenapub.com/flores.htm

4'7, shorter than the Mbuti.

Skin color? Jablonski's studies showed the darkest to be in Australia and the lightest in Europe.
http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/09/uv-skin-color.php

Please show me a population in Africa that is lighter than Utretch Dutch or darker than the Darwin Aborigines.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Jul 2008 15:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salsassin wrote:
Not according to this source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n2_v19/ai_20159533/pg_2

That link goes to one man's non-peer-reviewed opinion, unsupported by evidence or any way of finding his source of evidence. Is this really what you want to go with to support your claim about the Dutch? If so, so be it. Just keep in mind that the same article flatly contradicts your allegation about the pygmies. It says, "The shortest people in the world today are the Mbuti, the Efe, and other Pygmy peoples of Central Africa." Again, with no way of verifying the assertion.

Salsassin wrote:
Or here where the Tutsi are 5'8 http://www.jstor.org/pss/217175

The link says nothing of the sort. It makes no mention of height. Either correct the link or retract it.

Salsassin wrote:
Go to google books and search with Tutsi averge height and the findings are consistent.

It does not work that way. You make a suspicious claim that contradicts common knowledge, you must back it up when challenged. The challenger need not do anything.

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Here it has the Masai at 5'6 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Maasai-79683.shtml

The link says nothing of the sort. It says that the Maasai (note the correct spelling) descend from Nilotic Sudanese tribes that average.... Either correct the link or retract it.

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There seem to be small populations of Masai taller http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/316/7149/1929/b

The link says nothing of the sort. In fact, it flatly contradicts you by saying that the Maasai are among the populations who are taller than the Dutch. The passage to which you allude simply makes the point, which apparently escapes you, that while the Netherlands may have the tallest average of any nation, there are many peoples (population groups) who are taller. This is because the Maasai (as a people)are scattered among nations filled with much shorter people. Hence national averages cannot show the distinctly tall peoples (population groups) within nations. Either correct the link or retract it.

Salsassin wrote:
But overall the Dutch are the tallest, and if we go look at world records, almost all are in Eurasia.

Stop reasserting your unsubstantiated claim.

Salsassin wrote:
Now when it comes to shortest the Andamanese average at 4'8
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/andaman-islands/the-andamanese.html

The link says nothing of the sort. It claims that they average 4' 11 (actually, 4' 10.7"). This is a bit taller than the African pygmies. Either correct the link or retract it.

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Add the Flores Pygmies recently found http://www.athenapub.com/flores.htm

The link says nothing of the sort. The very researchers who found this small community suspect that they are simply dwarves or midgets, a phenomenon common around the world. Either correct the link or retract it.

Salsassin wrote:
Please show me a population in Africa that is lighter than Utretch Dutch or darker than the Darwin Aborigines.

You misunderstand. We were talking about diversity of skin tone within Africa. Of course northern Europeans are oddly depigmented (hair, skin, eyes). The point was that skin tone variation among individuals within Europe, or among individuals within North Africa, or among individuals within West Asia, or among individuals within Southwest Asia, or among individuals within Australasia, or among individuals within the New World is trivial compared to the huge differences among individuals within subsaharan Africa. That is what we were talking about: the huge skin tone variation among subsaharan Africans.

Salsassin, I am troubled by your responses here and also in the Bleu Blood and Black Blood thread. Please go to Temporary Suspension of Salsassin's Posting Priviledge, where we can discuss it further.
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