That's where the problem comes in. There is this expectant mulatto look. Therein lies the problem.
That's why people tend to contradict themselves in saying AA aren't mixed(and every single one may not be especially visually) but many are visually not what their african ancestors looked like, and turn around and say this 'biracial' person looks similar to AA's.
onlyhuman77 wrote:
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
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Posted: Mon 07 Jul 2008 00:14 Post subject:
pianoplayer111 wrote:
Hmm...
but, Grasshoppa, your skin color being like Will Smith's might not be an indicator of European admixture at all. It could possibly be from another group. I would definitely do a DNA test if I had the money.
Perhaps, but i doubt it considering i have green eyes and a mother that gets confused for being Asian.
Edit: whoops, thought you were referring to other lighter skinned african groups...I guess we could have some native american or asian in the fam, but I'm sure there's some Euro in there as well with the hazel/green eyes and all.
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Just look at Obama's parents, an average of the two faces and Obama himself. Yet many say he doesn't have the "mulatto" face.
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
Yes I agree, the admixture in various AA varies, and many do have parents, grandparent(s), great grandparents who are biracial, so you get all kinds of mixing happening, not only white Euro Americans but Asian Native and others...
Posted: Mon 07 Jul 2008 02:16 Post subject: racial confusion
gemini072 wrote:
onlyhuman77 wrote:
Salsassin wrote:
Just look at Obama's parents, an average of the two faces and Obama himself. Yet many say he doesn't have the "mulatto" face.
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
Yes I agree, the admixture in various AA varies, and many do have parents, grandparent(s), great grandparents who are biracial, so you get all kinds of mixing happening, not only white Euro Americans but Asian Native and others...
I think that many people are confused about the use of the terms "black" or "African American" to describe people who don't appear to meet that description. Many black-identified folks who view "whites" in general as the "enemy race" but have mixed-race families, reconcile their conflicting emotions by imagining that "blacks" really come in all colors without any help from "white" DNA. It is also those conflicting emotions that causes the hysteria about "passing" - which blacks view as siding with "the enemy." If you remember the infamous article "White Girl?" by Lonnae O'Neal Parker of the Washington Post, she was emotionally unable to accept the fact that her cousin, Kim, identified as white because "whites" represented the enemy to her. Yet, she was completely dependent on white patronage for her job and the dissemination of her pro-ODR views.
Just look at Obama's parents, an average of the two faces and Obama himself. Yet many say he doesn't have the "mulatto" face.
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
Yes I agree, the admixture in various AA varies, and many do have parents, grandparent(s), great grandparents who are biracial, so you get all kinds of mixing happening, not only white Euro Americans but Asian Native and others...
I think that many people are confused about the use of the terms "black" or "African American" to describe people who don't appear to meet that description. Many black-identified folks who view "whites" in general as the "enemy race" but have mixed-race families, reconcile their conflicting emotions by imagining that "blacks" really come in all colors without any help from "white" DNA. It is also those conflicting emotions that causes the hysteria about "passing" - which blacks view as siding with "the enemy." If you remember the infamous article "White Girl?" by Lonnae O'Neal Parker of the Washington Post, she was emotionally unable to accept the fact that her cousin, Kim, identified as white because "whites" represented the enemy to her. Yet, she was completely dependent on white patronage for her job and the dissemination of her pro-ODR views.
Yes some people do confuse that.
I want to clarify that I'm dealing with people who identify a certain way... As well as Multigenerational people who identify as AA.
This is an interesting dynamic apart from biracial people and multiracials who look 100% like 1 race: weither it be European Asian or Native American... yet are part or 1/2 black.
black in the sense of negro/sub-Saharan African, do not come in all colors hair textures features and eye colors.
Black identified(social political term) or African-American people in the USA more specifically, do come in all those.
This doesn't mean I'm promo ODR, it just is. Many by choice, family, association, and others knowingly/unknowingly by the american underlying ODR 'cultural' indocrination.
Just look at Obama's parents, an average of the two faces and Obama himself. Yet many say he doesn't have the "mulatto" face.
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
Yes I agree, the admixture in various AA varies, and many do have parents, grandparent(s), great grandparents who are biracial, so you get all kinds of mixing happening, not only white Euro Americans but Asian Native and others...
I think that many people are confused about the use of the terms "black" or "African American" to describe people who don't appear to meet that description. Many black-identified folks who view "whites" in general as the "enemy race" but have mixed-race families, reconcile their conflicting emotions by imagining that "blacks" really come in all colors without any help from "white" DNA. It is also those conflicting emotions that causes the hysteria about "passing" - which blacks view as siding with "the enemy." If you remember the infamous article "White Girl?" by Lonnae O'Neal Parker of the Washington Post, she was emotionally unable to accept the fact that her cousin, Kim, identified as white because "whites" represented the enemy to her. Yet, she was completely dependent on white patronage for her job and the dissemination of her pro-ODR views.
Yes some people do confuse that.
I want to clarify that I'm dealing with people who identify a certain way... As well as Multigenerational people who identify as AA.
This is an interesting dynamic apart from biracial people and multiracials who look 100% like 1 race: weither it be European Asian or Native American... yet are part or 1/2 black.
black in the sense of negro, do not come in all colors hair textures features and eye colors.
Black identified people in America more specifically, do come in all those.
This doesn't mean I'm promo ODR, it just is. Many by choice, family, association, and others knowingly/unknowingly by the american underlying ODR 'cultural' indocrination.
A good example of what I'm talking about would be Henry Louis Gates, Jr. and his PBS program on DNA. Gates was absolutely giddy over his results of 50% Euro DNA. "Can I still be chair of the Black Studies Department?" he giggled (This is the guy who condemned Anatole Broyard as a "black man" only "passing as white."). Yet, Gates' father has a Euro phenotype and his darker mother was also of mulatto ancestry. When you look at Gates' uncles, aunts and picture of the older generation, it is clear that he is something of a "throwback" and mulatoes tended to marry mulattoes in his corner of West Virginia. Why was he so surprised?
Gates and his imitators condemn Anatole Broyard as a "black man" and claim that nearly all his ancestors were "black" (actually Creole). I think that even educated people may really think that Broyard was some kind of pale black mutation with little white ancestry.
One thing we constantly emphasized on "Interracial Voice" is that multiracial or mixed ancestry is NOT limited to having parents who had an officially recognized "interracial" marriage.
Just look at Obama's parents, an average of the two faces and Obama himself. Yet many say he doesn't have the "mulatto" face.
That is because there are in the African American Community a certain amount of Self Identified African American's that have the phenotype of Obama, but have two Self-Identified African American Parents.
This is not to say that those of that phenotype don't have a significant amount of Caucasian admixture, but most I have seen with that phenotype have had one parent who is most likely 40-55% SSA and the other that is 75 -85% SSA. But both are self identified African Americans, so that is why many don't see his phenotype so equally racially mixed, though it actually is.
Yes I agree, the admixture in various AA varies, and many do have parents, grandparent(s), great grandparents who are biracial, so you get all kinds of mixing happening, not only white Euro Americans but Asian Native and others...
I think that many people are confused about the use of the terms "black" or "African American" to describe people who don't appear to meet that description. Many black-identified folks who view "whites" in general as the "enemy race" but have mixed-race families, reconcile their conflicting emotions by imagining that "blacks" really come in all colors without any help from "white" DNA. It is also those conflicting emotions that causes the hysteria about "passing" - which blacks view as siding with "the enemy." If you remember the infamous article "White Girl?" by Lonnae O'Neal Parker of the Washington Post, she was emotionally unable to accept the fact that her cousin, Kim, identified as white because "whites" represented the enemy to her. Yet, she was completely dependent on white patronage for her job and the dissemination of her pro-ODR views.
Yes some people do confuse that.
I want to clarify that I'm dealing with people who identify a certain way... As well as Multigenerational people who identify as AA.
This is an interesting dynamic apart from biracial people and multiracials who look 100% like 1 race: weither it be European Asian or Native American... yet are part or 1/2 black.
black in the sense of negro, do not come in all colors hair textures features and eye colors.
Black identified people in America more specifically, do come in all those.
This doesn't mean I'm promo ODR, it just is. Many by choice, family, association, and others knowingly/unknowingly by the american underlying ODR 'cultural' indocrination.
AD Powell wrote: One thing we constantly emphasized on "Interracial Voice" is that multiracial or mixed ancestry is NOT limited to having parents who had an officially recognized "interracial" marriage.
That is something that I run into a lot within online mixed/mulatto communities. You find very contradictory views, where some only deal with 1st gen mixes with whites or 2 mulattoes. It seems sometimes that people may be saying mulatto + black = too black
That's what I like about historic terms and acknowledgement of the Sambo, Marabou, Griffe & Sacatra
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