In fact, the one drop rule targeted whites, not blacks. Preceding the one-drop-rule, blood-fraction laws, which stated that 1/16th, or 1/32nd parts black ancestry was enough to make a person a negro, were entirely sufficient to protect white purity. All of the court cases in which a white person was alleged to be a black, under the one-drop-rule, required that the white-person prove their innocence by demonstrating they had no black ancestry what-so-ever. This was effectively impossible, and shows that the courts did not employ the one-drop-rule in the interest of protecting truth or white-purity, but rather in punshing whites who became to friendly with blacks.
Once again. This makes no sense. How did the one drop rule NOT target blacks. If anything, from what you are saying, it targeted BOTH whites and blacks. The whites who were friendly and just the whole black race who the racist whites didn't want anything to do with.
How did the one drop rule NOT target blacks. If anything, from what you are saying, it targeted BOTH whites and blacks. The whites who were friendly and just the whole black race who the racist whites didn't want anything to do with.
I think that he might have been talking about the 100 or so court cases where the ODR was actually argued and decided in a court of law. In every one of those cases, the people under consideration: (1) looked White, and (2) claimed to be White, and (3) were never shown genealogical evidence of African ancestry. Not one of the cases involved anyone who: (1) looked Black, or (2) claimed to be Black, or (3) was shown any evidence of African ancestry. Hence, the ODR as actually applied in court exclusively targeted Whites.
In short, no self-identified Black person was ever accused of being secretly Black. Indeed, if you think about it, such a thing would be impossible.
i read somewhere that the african slaves were treated differently than the way europeans treated african slaves.
If you are making a claim contradicting a prior message that was backed up by a source, you need to provide a source also. There were many different forms of slavery throughout history, on every continent. I have not heard of any consistent slavery patterns that differed by continent.
How did the one drop rule NOT target blacks. If anything, from what you are saying, it targeted BOTH whites and blacks. The whites who were friendly and just the whole black race who the racist whites didn't want anything to do with.
I think that he might have been talking about the 100 or so court cases where the ODR was actually argued and decided in a court of law. In every one of those cases, the people under consideration: (1) looked White, and (2) claimed to be White, and (3) were never shown genealogical evidence of African ancestry. Not one of the cases involved anyone who: (1) looked Black, or (2) claimed to be Black, or (3) was shown any evidence of African ancestry. Hence, the ODR as actually applied in court exclusively targeted Whites.
In short, no self-identified Black person was ever accused of being secretly Black. Indeed, if you think about it, such a thing would be impossible.
I still don't see how the one drop rule didn't target blacks both in court and out of court. It is a completely offensive/degrading rule.
i read somewhere that the african slaves were treated differently than the way europeans treated african slaves.
If you are making a claim contradicting a prior message that was backed up by a source, you need to provide a source also. There were many different forms of slavery throughout history, on every continent. I have not heard of any consistent slavery patterns that differed by continent.
I wasn't saying that was definite I just mentioned it in hopes that someone could either confirm what I was saying or correct me.
"that doesn't make sense at all.
of course they were racist because of our skin color.
even if a black person were "socially" like a white person they would still be treated unfairly."
My reply:
I feel that you are being disrespectful towards me by asserting that something I said doesn't make any sense, which implies that I am a fool. At least provide some counter evidence with sources, please!
Now, as for the point itself, you are quite mistaken. People who were genetically European, and physically Caucasian were treated as racial inferiors by most of the American White population, until about thirty years ago. This demonstrates that American White Supremacy had very little to do with skin color, and much more to do with one's alleged genetic ancestry. Modern White Supremacy in fact follows a similar pattern.
gawosany said:
"I already knew this. but i read somewhere that the african slaves were treated differently than the way europeans treated african slaves."
My reply:
The Europeans did treat them differently. They treated them like they treated European indentured servants and slaves - with a few exceptions regarding rules of how to determine slave status and so forth.
gawosany said:
"Once again. This makes no sense. How did the one drop rule NOT target blacks. If anything, from what you are saying, it targeted BOTH whites and blacks. The whites who were friendly and just the whole black race who the racist whites didn't want anything to do with."
My reply:
1. PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT IT DID TARGET BLACKS.
2. The one drop rule targeted Whites for the following reasons:
- Tens of thousands of people "passed" when the one-drop rule
was established, but only a small number of them were ever tried.
This shows that prosecutors were not interested in the majority of
so called "passers" but in a select minority.
- The people who "passed" under the one drop rule were already
accepted as Whites by their communities. This again shows that
something was special about the Whites who were put on trial.
- The Whites who were tried were always accused of fraternizing with
blacks.
- The one drop rule only became popular during Jim-Crow, even though
white purity had been a major concern since the 1630s when the first
miscegenation laws were passed. This shows that Jim Crow and not
white purity were the real reason behind the one drop rule.
- The Mulattos who attempted to "pass" under the one drop rule, were
again, not Blacks. Furthermore, even the Black community thoroughly
supported the one-drop-rule, even at its beginning when most Whites
rejected it.
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One last thing...
Why are you posting on this subject if you haven't even read Frank's essays on the colorline? Your coming here and saying this doesn't make sense is really like a child who says that making-love doesn't make sense.
You get my drift? Somethings take a bit of knowledge before they become understandable, so...
i still don't see how american racism had nothing to do with skin color. because black skin color was different they treated blacks differently.
if they hate jewish people that's more of a prejudice because jewish people are caucasian. jewish isn't a skin color or a race.
and what i am saying is, if you look at the big picture, the one drop rule does target blacks. i am not talking about mulattos being tried in court. that's not who i am considering black. i am talking about their black side, the black blood is being made into a horrible thing to have and that is how blacks are target in a negative way with the one drop rule.
i'll read the essays later but that's just how i felt with what you posted
those were my initial reactions
1. You don't understand how American White Supremacy operates.
2. You are making some statements based on emotion rather than fact.
3. You are gravely uninformed of the most basic historical facts.
4. You are not going to learn these things in this thread.
There is no point in continuing with you until you have solved the above problems 1 - 3. That is going to take you a while because its a lot of reading. If you have questions ask Frank or the other people here. I could help you if you like, but I doubt you are interested in MY help.
At any rate, I don't mean to be blunt but there is no other way to put this.
I'm done talking to you about it for now. Get back to me when you are ready.
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