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BillyMadison79
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| Salsassin I have been to Brazil before, I have even met/know a Brazilian woman living here in the States who looked similar to Camila Pitanga racially (you know the mixed/Triracial look) who said she would consider it interracial if she ever hooked up with a darker less mixed and more pure African looking in phenotype man and how she's not really attracted to them.In the eyes of African Americans she would have definitely been considered a sellout for not identifying as Black and for preferring Whiter/lighter men. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Thu 12 Jul 2007 00:05 Post subject: |
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| BillyMadison79 wrote: | | Salsassin I have been to Brazil before, I have even met/know a Brazilian woman living here in the States who looked similar to Camila Pitanga racially (you know the mixed/Triracial look) who said she would consider it interracial if she ever hooked up with a darker less mixed and more pure African looking in phenotype man and how she's not really attracted to them.In the eyes of African Americans she would have definitely been considered a sellout for not identifying as Black and for preferring Whiter/lighter men. |
And? Does that make all Brazilians like her? No. |
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BillyMadison79
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| Posted: Thu 12 Jul 2007 00:14 Post subject: |
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| Yeah but if so many mixed race looking Brazilians are identifying themselves as Black like you claim, than why does the Brazilian census still have the the Black figure at only 6% than ? |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Thu 12 Jul 2007 00:40 Post subject: |
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| BillyMadison79 wrote: | | Yeah but if so many mixed race looking Brazilians are identifying themselves as Black like you claim, than why does the Brazilian census still have the the Black figure at only 6% than ? |
I didn't give a specific number. Just pointed out a trend. The wording in the census for one/ They didn't ask for identity, Negro. They asked for skin color Prieto. And the last census that did this was the 1991 census. The 2000 census didn't ask for these statistics at all. The choices were branca, preta, amarela, parda ou indígena. White, Dark, Yellow, Brown or Indigenous.
In Brazilian lore, Preto was also the loyal Black (Uncle Tom) While Negro was the rebelious Black (Zumbi).
As one person put it
lendo o assuto entendi que no brasil o racismo não é visto pela raça e sim pela cor,negro de pele clara é branco no meu cso falam que não sou preto porque tenho cabelo bom.eu não sou preto sou negro,preto é cor somos todos negros.valeu pelo projeto. |
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G-Man
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| Posted: Thu 26 Jul 2007 13:21 Post subject: |
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| Salsassin wrote: |
As one person put it
lendo o assuto entendi que no brasil o racismo não é visto pela raça e sim pela cor,negro de pele clara é branco no meu cso falam que não sou preto porque tenho cabelo bom.eu não sou preto sou negro,preto é cor somos todos negros.valeu pelo projeto. |
Translation please. |
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G-Man
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| Posted: Thu 26 Jul 2007 13:30 Post subject: |
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| BillyMadison79 wrote: | | Salsassin I have been to Brazil before, I have even met/know a Brazilian woman living here in the States who looked similar to Camila Pitanga racially (you know the mixed/Triracial look) who said she would consider it interracial if she ever hooked up with a darker less mixed and more pure African looking in phenotype man and how she's not really attracted to them.In the eyes of African Americans she would have definitely been considered a sellout for not identifying as Black and for preferring Whiter/lighter men. |
I doubt if African Americans would respond that way...Maybe a Pan-Africanist ideologue would see her as a race traitor or sell out, but most black Americans wouldn't. There are dozens of Puerto Ricans and other Latinos who look like Camila Pitanga who make it clear they do not find people of predominant or even partial African ancestry attractive. African Americans who live in cities where these communities live aren't usually shocked or surprised when they encounter these opinions. Hurt? Sort of, but at least in my experiene they don't see these people as "their people", and they expect them to be into lighter or whiter men anyway. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Thu 26 Jul 2007 17:24 Post subject: |
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| G-Man wrote: | | Salsassin wrote: |
As one person put it
lendo o assuto entendi que no brasil o racismo não é visto pela raça e sim pela cor,negro de pele clara é branco no meu cso falam que não sou preto porque tenho cabelo bom.eu não sou preto sou negro,preto é cor somos todos negros.valeu pelo projeto. |
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I understood that in Brazil isn't seen for the race but for the color. light skinned blacks and whites are the ones saying that I am not black/dark because I have good hair. I am not black/dark, I am Black, black/dark is a color we are all Black. |
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divana
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| I love the diversity of Brasil. One thing is for sure, a person's actual background isn't necessarily evident by looking at them... |
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Grasshoppa
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| dahlin wrote: | | I love the diversity of Brasil. One thing is for sure, a person's actual background isn't necessarily evident by looking at them... |
LOL! You can say that again.
71.3% European, 19.5% African and 9.3% Amerindian
She makes me wonder generally what amount of admixture it takes for it to show in your facial features. Obviously, it's hard to say, because all people are different (especially after looking at all of these pics)...There's no real in-stone number, but i've heard people say around 20%? I'd venture to say that many people have visibly obvious admixture with even less than that.
68.2% African, 30.8% European, 1.0% Amerindian.
Funny how this man looks somewhat middle eastern/north african. I understand that not all Middle Eastern people have visible African ancestry, but imo he reminds me of some AAs and he looks a little bit middle eastern.
 67% European, 32% African
Shocking, to say the least! Would have never guessed it. Even though I am aware that skin tone doesn't mean much, I'm still shocked because his features look closer to the African range than the European range imo. That's not to say he doesn't have obvious European features, but it's shocking that his Euro admixture outweighs his Afro greatly.
 96.7% African, 2.1% European, 1.1% Amerindian
Never would have guessed it. I'm almost tempted to question it's accuracy. Definitely would have assumed a greater Euro influence. I can imagine most others would have as well.
I must say, this makes me even more interested in finding out my admixture percentages. |
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onlyhuman77
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| Posted: Thu 26 Jun 2008 21:21 Post subject: |
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96.7% African, 2.1% European, 1.1% Amerindian
Never would have guessed it. I'm almost tempted to question it's accuracy. Definitely would have assumed a greater Euro influence. I can imagine most others would have as well.
I must say, this makes me even more interested in finding out my admixture percentages. |
Yeah I just ordered my ancestrybydna 2.5, before I wasn't sure if I would be able to have a SSA % of 92 or more. But now after seeing this I am hopeful that I might be able to have at least 98% SSA which would be really really cool, and would give me an almost perfect score. |
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Salsassin
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| Posted: Fri 27 Jun 2008 23:09 Post subject: |
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| onlyhuman77 wrote: | | Grasshoppa wrote: |
96.7% African, 2.1% European, 1.1% Amerindian
Never would have guessed it. I'm almost tempted to question it's accuracy. Definitely would have assumed a greater Euro influence. I can imagine most others would have as well.
I must say, this makes me even more interested in finding out my admixture percentages. |
Yeah I just ordered my ancestrybydna 2.5, before I wasn't sure if I would be able to have a SSA % of 92 or more. But now after seeing this I am hopeful that I might be able to have at least 98% SSA which would be really really cool, and would give me an almost perfect score. |
After seeing other pictures of her, I am not as surprised.
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Grasshoppa
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After seeing other pictures of her, I am not as surprised.
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Yeah, definitely not as surprised, but in the second pic (which is not shown), she has features that are not stereotypically African to my American eyes. That's my opinion though.
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onlyhuman77
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| Salsassin wrote: | | onlyhuman77 wrote: | | Grasshoppa wrote: |
96.7% African, 2.1% European, 1.1% Amerindian
Never would have guessed it. I'm almost tempted to question it's accuracy. Definitely would have assumed a greater Euro influence. I can imagine most others would have as well.
I must say, this makes me even more interested in finding out my admixture percentages. |
Yeah I just ordered my ancestrybydna 2.5, before I wasn't sure if I would be able to have a SSA % of 92 or more. But now after seeing this I am hopeful that I might be able to have at least 98% SSA which would be really really cool, and would give me an almost perfect score. |
After seeing other pictures of her, I am not as surprised.
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I am not sure if that is the case here, but I have noticed some inconsistency in regards to photographs of people of color, they can appear much lighter than what they really are or much darker. It is difficult to know a true person's complexion unless you witness seeing them in person. |
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