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msmochachina Regular User

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Posted: Sat 08 Mar 2008 09:51 Post subject: The Color of Water |
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The Color of Water, by James McBride
This is one of the best books I have ever read.
It begins as the story of a young Jewish woman whom runs away from her strict, Jewish family and finds shelter among the black community.
Later on in the book, she has children whom wonder why she is much lighter skinned than they are. When they ask her "Are you White?" She replies "I am the color of Water"
Anyways, I won't spoil this book for you, but I think it was kinda messed up that the children didn't know they were part Jewish until they were adults.
I mean, I'm all for "being colorblind", but those kids deserved to know about all facets of their cultures.
It's a very good book and I suggest it to everyone. |
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OTHER Moderator-at-Large

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Posted: Sat 08 Mar 2008 13:02 Post subject: |
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| I enjoyed reading that book, too. Just thinking about it makes me picture his mother riding her bicycle around their neighborhood. I don't know why but that mental picture he painted of her stuck with me! |
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Powell Guru

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Posted: Sun 09 Mar 2008 01:38 Post subject: The Color of Water |
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| I notice that McBride's Jewish mother wasn't condemned by anyone for keeping family secrets from her children. By contrast, the late Anatole Broyard was viciously condemned by black and liberal commentators for doing the same thing. We are often told that it's a terrible crime for parents to keep black ancestry a secret from their children but no big deal (silence) if white ancestry is denied. |
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msmochachina Regular User

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Posted: Sun 09 Mar 2008 02:35 Post subject: Mulatto.org |
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| OTHER wrote: | | I enjoyed reading that book, too. Just thinking about it makes me picture his mother riding her bicycle around their neighborhood. I don't know why but that mental picture he painted of her stuck with me! |
Nope I haven't checked it out yet, I guess I better get over there. |
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msmochachina Regular User

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Posted: Sun 09 Mar 2008 02:37 Post subject: Re: The Color of Water |
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| Powell wrote: | | I notice that McBride's Jewish mother wasn't condemned by anyone for keeping family secrets from her children. By contrast, the late Anatole Broyard was viciously condemned by black and liberal commentators for doing the same thing. We are often told that it's a terrible crime for parents to keep black ancestry a secret from their children but no big deal (silence) if white ancestry is denied. |
Exactly....another great example of the "one drop rule". |
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OTHER Moderator-at-Large

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Posted: Sun 09 Mar 2008 17:29 Post subject: Re: The Color of Water |
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| Powell wrote: | | I notice that McBride's Jewish mother wasn't condemned by anyone for keeping family secrets from her children. By contrast, the late Anatole Broyard was viciously condemned by black and liberal commentators for doing the same thing. We are often told that it's a terrible crime for parents to keep black ancestry a secret from their children but no big deal (silence) if white ancestry is denied. |
I hear you. I think it's just as messed up what his mom did. I mean, in his case, he actually used to ASK her and she would just evade the questions, you know? Not cool!  |
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femmedecouleur Mentor

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Posted: Wed 12 Mar 2008 03:29 Post subject: |
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I read this book when it came out.
It struck me as funny that he noticed that his Jewish mother's skin was so white when I have seen self-identified Nordic-looking 'Blacks' in my parents' hometown in GA/ SC and also in my own family.
My first thought was that the author didn't get out much.  |
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Bischoff Mentor

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Posted: Wed 12 Mar 2008 17:35 Post subject: |
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| Most people in the world period have never seen a "Nordic looking Black", especially people who live outside of the United States. So I guess to you most of the world's population don't get out much. |
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Famu Mentor

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| I read this book for HS English. I thought it was interesting, but I didn't see why it was included in our curriculum. I think he came to speak at our school or something, but I can't remember. |
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femmedecouleur Mentor

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| Bischoff wrote: | | Most people in the world period have never seen a "Nordic looking Black", especially people who live outside of the United States. So I guess to you most of the world's population don't get out much. |
I wasn't talking about 'most people in the world outside of the United States', was I?
I was specifically referring to the peculiarity of USAmerican life, and more specifically a writer who claimed that he was raised in a so-called predominantly 'Black' neighborhood.
Maybe you should stick to the subject at hand and try not to look for trouble where there is none. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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Posted: Fri 14 Mar 2008 15:28 Post subject: |
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Well, I would say that if a person is "Nordic-looking" then they aren't entirely black. However...
I don't wish to offend anyone.  |
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femmedecouleur Mentor

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| pianoplayer111 wrote: | Well, I would say that if a person is "Nordic-looking" then they aren't entirely black. However...
I don't wish to offend anyone.  |
Sigh.
You've completely missed the point of my original comment.
Nevermind. I am not bothering to respond to any more comments on this subject. |
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pianoplayer111 Mentor

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My comment wasn't directed at you, per se.
Now what was your point?  |
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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Fri 06 Jun 2008 04:36 Post subject: Re: The Color of Water |
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| msmochachina wrote: | The Color of Water, by James McBride
This is one of the best books I have ever read.
It begins as the story of a young Jewish woman whom runs away from her strict, Jewish family and finds shelter among the black community.
Later on in the book, she has children whom wonder why she is much lighter skinned than they are. When they ask her "Are you White?" She replies "I am the color of Water"
Anyways, I won't spoil this book for you, but I think it was kinda messed up that the children didn't know they were part Jewish until they were adults.
I mean, I'm all for "being colorblind", but those kids deserved to know about all facets of their cultures.
It's a very good book and I suggest it to everyone. |
http://www.jamesmcbride.com/
James McBride is also a very good jazz musician, I had his music before I read the book and it took me a while to put the 2 together
I liked that book alot
He also contributed to Half + Half:Writers on Growing Up Biracial & Bicultural
I think the comparison is a little bit like apples & oranges.
I'm not justifying or glorifying either situation. But James mother was cut off by her family because she loved a black man. I think situations like this that do happen in all kinds of relationships can cause a person to try to run from their past and bury it because of the pain.
It's different from Bliss's father situation. I can understand his too of feeling he needed to make certain choice to fully be who he wanted to be as a writer. But his family did nothing to him to be cut off.
The other difference is James is telling his story, Bliss is telling the story of her father.
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Powell Guru

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Posted: Mon 09 Jun 2008 15:25 Post subject: Re: The Color of Water |
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| gemini072 wrote: | | msmochachina wrote: | The Color of Water, by James McBride
This is one of the best books I have ever read.
It begins as the story of a young Jewish woman whom runs away from her strict, Jewish family and finds shelter among the black community.
Later on in the book, she has children whom wonder why she is much lighter skinned than they are. When they ask her "Are you White?" She replies "I am the color of Water"
Anyways, I won't spoil this book for you, but I think it was kinda messed up that the children didn't know they were part Jewish until they were adults.
I mean, I'm all for "being colorblind", but those kids deserved to know about all facets of their cultures.
It's a very good book and I suggest it to everyone. |
http://www.jamesmcbride.com/
James McBride is also a very good jazz musician, I had his music before I read the book and it took me a while to put the 2 together
I liked that book alot
He also contributed to Half + Half:Writers on Growing Up Biracial & Bicultural
I think the comparison is a little bit like apples & oranges.
I'm not justifying or glorifying either situation. But James mother was cut off by her family because she loved a black man. I think situations like this that do happen in all kinds of relationships can cause a person to try to run from their past and bury it because of the pain.
It's different from Bliss's father situation. I can understand his too of feeling he needed to make certain choice to fully be who he wanted to be as a writer. But his family did nothing to him to be cut off.
The other difference is James is telling his story, Bliss is telling the story of her father.
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| Quote: | | It's different from Bliss's father situation. I can understand his too of feeling he needed to make certain choice to fully be who he wanted to be as a writer. But his family did nothing to him to be cut off. |
McBride's Jewish mother (who sought to deprive her children of their wonderful Jewish heritage) gets a pass because, unlike Anatole Broyard, she was hiding a socially superior ancestry and not a socially inferior one.
I see no sign that Anatole Broyard "cut off" his family for no reason. Since Bliss and Todd were well aware of their grandmother and Aunt Lorraine, that could hardly be a "cut off." Shirley also made a choice to distance herself from the Creoleness of her family and embrace Anglo-American "blackness." She chose to distance herself from her white-identified brother while her mother and sister did not. Shirley is not condemned because there was no caste upward mobility in her choice. |
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gemini072 Moderator

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Posted: Mon 09 Jun 2008 18:52 Post subject: Re: The Color of Water |
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| Powell wrote: | | gemini072 wrote: | | msmochachina wrote: | The Color of Water, by James McBride
This is one of the best books I have ever read.
It begins as the story of a young Jewish woman whom runs away from her strict, Jewish family and finds shelter among the black community.
Later on in the book, she has children whom wonder why she is much lighter skinned than they are. When they ask her "Are you White?" She replies "I am the color of Water"
Anyways, I won't spoil this book for you, but I think it was kinda messed up that the children didn't know they were part Jewish until they were adults.
I mean, I'm all for "being colorblind", but those kids deserved to know about all facets of their cultures.
It's a very good book and I suggest it to everyone. |
http://www.jamesmcbride.com/
James McBride is also a very good jazz musician, I had his music before I read the book and it took me a while to put the 2 together
I liked that book alot
He also contributed to Half + Half:Writers on Growing Up Biracial & Bicultural
I think the comparison is a little bit like apples & oranges.
I'm not justifying or glorifying either situation. But James mother was cut off by her family because she loved a black man. I think situations like this that do happen in all kinds of relationships can cause a person to try to run from their past and bury it because of the pain.
It's different from Bliss's father situation. I can understand his too of feeling he needed to make certain choice to fully be who he wanted to be as a writer. But his family did nothing to him to be cut off.
The other difference is James is telling his story, Bliss is telling the story of her father.
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| Quote: | | It's different from Bliss's father situation. I can understand his too of feeling he needed to make certain choice to fully be who he wanted to be as a writer. But his family did nothing to him to be cut off. |
McBride's Jewish mother (who sought to deprive her children of their wonderful Jewish heritage) I don't think she sought to do that to the children, the works were in motion when her Jewish family cut her off-as dead. If she had no children she would have still followed that path, probably. gets a pass because, unlike Anatole Broyard, she was hiding a socially superior ancestry and not a socially inferior one.
The circumstances are different. Also the McBrides new their mother was not colored or negro.
I see no sign that Anatole Broyard "cut off" his family for no reason.
No, I said I understand him wanting to 'be seen only as white' in order to be seen fully as a writer, not a negro or even creole writer. James Baldwin dealt with that kind of connection too. But Anatole decision was much different than James McBrides mother. I'm not saying either person decision is bad. But they are 2 totally different situations.
Since Bliss and Todd were well aware of their grandmother and Aunt Lorraine, that could hardly be a "cut off." Shirley also made a choice to distance herself from the Creoleness of her family and embrace Anglo-American "blackness." She chose to distance herself from her white-identified brother while her mother and sister did not. Shirley is not condemned because there was no caste upward mobility in her choice. |
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