Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 15:35 Post subject: Re: Is Powell Exempt from the Rules
Monica wrote:
Just wanna know
Of course not. If you believe that a rules violation has taken place, please post here the message number and which rule(s) you feel have been violated.
Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 15:55 Post subject: Re: Is Powell Exempt from the Rules
fwsweet wrote:
Monica wrote:
Just wanna know
Of course not. If you believe that a rules violation has taken place, please post here the message number and which rule(s) you feel have been violated.
Please follow the thread "The why of Racial Labeling", in Improving Society, right at the top pf the forum.
Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 16:01 Post subject: Re: Is Powell Exempt from the Rules
Monica wrote:
fwsweet wrote:
Monica wrote:
Just wanna know
Of course not. If you believe that a rules violation has taken place, please post here the message number and which rule(s) you feel have been violated.
Please follow the thread "The why of Racial Labeling", in Improving Society, right at the top pf the forum.
Please post here the message number and which rule(s) you feel have been violated. (second request)
Ruile 4.1 wrote:
Inform Moderators of Rules Violations. Notify either a moderator or administrator of any rules violation that you have personally observed. Do this by reporting: (1) the ID-number of rule violated (from this list) and (2) the message number. To get the message number, hover your mouse on the quote button. The message number appears in the URL flashed at the bottom of the screen after the characters &p=.
Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 16:14 Post subject: This is the best I could do
I hovered my mouse over the quote button and it only said something to the affect of "reply to this quote"...no number in the url and no number on the bottom, now what I did do was cut and paste the content below so that you might find this post.
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb 2008 23:45 Post subject: Re: The USA racial party line
Lill wrote:
To Famu:
I don't mean that you have to "label" people, I just mean that it is VERY strange how people in USA call everyone who, had a black great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather, black. If you do that you also agree that somehow "black blood" is toxifying the blood. If someone looking European would say that they are black to a person here in Sweden, the person wouldn't understand.
Why is someone 1/4 black and 3/4 white, black?? How can a person be black when most of their DNA are white?? And if they on top of that look white, how come people in america still call that person black?
To us living in Sweden and the rest of Europe it is a very strange way of thinking.
And it is even more strange when black people themselves say things like this, it is like Americans are brainwashed by "The One Drop Rule".
The really sad thing is that black-identified elites who support the "one drop" myth and their white-identified enablers send these destructive messages:
(1) There is something inferior about "black" or sub-Saharan ancestry since no other ancestry has a "one drop rule" and, since even blacks themselves support the "one drop" myth, they themselves must know this is true. These are the people with whom Bliss Broyard has allied herself.
(2) The overrepresentation of mulattoes, mixed whites, etc. in the "black racial resume" means that the intelligence of these people comes from their white ancestry. Euro genes do the work and SSA genes get the credit, you might say. Some blacks are claiming, for example, that predominately white Anatole Broyard could have somehow eliminated all discrimination against "black" authors (however "discrimination" is defined) if only he had identified with them.
(3) Racial equality becomes, thanks to the black American embrace of the "one drop" myth, just a party line that "everyone" must parrot but "everyone" knows is not true.
Powell wrote:
Lill wrote:
To Famu:
I don't mean that you have to "label" people, I just mean that it is VERY strange how people in USA call everyone who, had a black great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather, black. If you do that you also agree that somehow "black blood" is toxifying the blood. If someone looking European would say that they are black to a person here in Sweden, the person wouldn't understand.
Why is someone 1/4 black and 3/4 white, black?? How can a person be black when most of their DNA are white?? And if they on top of that look white, how come people in america still call that person black?
To us living in Sweden and the rest of Europe it is a very strange way of thinking.
And it is even more strange when black people themselves say things like this, it is like Americans are brainwashed by "The One Drop Rule".
The really sad thing is that black-identified elites who support the "one drop" myth and their white-identified enablers send these destructive messages:
(1) There is something inferior about "black" or sub-Saharan ancestry since no other ancestry has a "one drop rule" and, since even blacks themselves support the "one drop" myth, they themselves must know this is true. These are the people with whom Bliss Broyard has allied herself.
(2) The overrepresentation of mulattoes, mixed whites, etc. in the "black racial resume" means that the intelligence of these people comes from their white ancestry. Euro genes do the work and SSA genes get the credit, you might say. Some blacks are claiming, for example, that predominately white Anatole Broyard could have somehow eliminated all discrimination against "black" authors (however "discrimination" is defined) if only he had identified with them.
(3) Racial equality becomes, thanks to the black American embrace of the "one drop" myth, just a party line that "everyone" must parrot but "everyone" knows is not true.
Can you provide proof or specific information on WHO said these things (first and last name) and WHAT exactly was it they said (independant source for the quotes you refer to) thanks in advance
Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 16:17 Post subject: here is the rule
The Rules wrote:
1.2 Either Teach or Learn. Learners ask questions, challenge assumptions, request sources, and compare different interpretations to arrive at new knowledge about U.S. racialism. Teachers answer questions, defend or clarify assumptions, provide sources, and offer different interpretations about U.S. racialism. Most members perform both roles. Your every message should seek either to inform or to become informed.
No member is exempt from the rules. I would not expect, however, a moderator to interpret a member's post as you do. That is why it is important (indeed, required) for members to notify a moderator of rule-breaking posts. If we don't see what you see it is your responsibility to make us aware.
If you believe a moderator has treated you or another member unfairly, start a thread in Site Management or PM a moderator/Frank. Let me assure you that the moderator board deals with each issue raised.
On Powell specifically, though she is a published author of Frank's company, she has been suspended for breaking the rules.
Is you specific concern regarding Famu's request for evidence for a claim Powell made?
No member is exempt from the rules. I would not expect, however, a moderator to interpret a member's post as you do. That is why it is important (indeed, required) for members to notify a moderator of rule-breaking posts. If we don't see what you see it is your responsibility to make us aware.
If you believe a moderator has treated you or another member unfairly, start a thread in Site Management or PM a moderator/Frank. Let me assure you that the moderator board deals with each issue raised.
On Powell specifically, though she is a published author of Frank's company, she has been suspended for breaking the rules.
Is you specific concern regarding Famu's request for evidence for a claim Powell made?
I asked her for info on what Black elites were making the claims she talked about, she never provided that info.
I do find it al little odd that when I post, a moderater is on the case immediately...
No member is exempt from the rules. I would not expect, however, a moderator to interpret a member's post as you do. That is why it is important (indeed, required) for members to notify a moderator of rule-breaking posts. If we don't see what you see it is your responsibility to make us aware.
If you believe a moderator has treated you or another member unfairly, start a thread in Site Management or PM a moderator/Frank. Let me assure you that the moderator board deals with each issue raised.
On Powell specifically, though she is a published author of Frank's company, she has been suspended for breaking the rules.
Is you specific concern regarding Famu's request for evidence for a claim Powell made?
I asked her for info on what Black elites were making the claims she talked about, she never provided that info.
I do find it al little odd that when I post, a moderater is on the case immediately...
I just read through the thread. Your complaints are misguided. When you asked Powell to provide evidence for her claim she replied that it was her opinion:
Powell wrote:
You ought to realize that no individuals are being quoted. The statements are educated opinion based on experience and logic.
There is nothing more that should be asked of a member who admits that she has not stated a fact, but has offered her opinion. The issue arises when a member states her opinion AS fact and refuses to admit that it is only that, especially after being questioned by a member.
Even on this site each member is entitled to his/her own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts. Powell seems to understand that based on this example.
There is nothing more that should be asked of a member who admits that she has not stated a fact, but has offered her opinion. The issue arises when a member states her opinion AS fact and refuses to admit that it is only that, especially after being questioned by a member. ... Even on this site each member is entitled to his/her own opinion.
I would go further and forbid even opinions that fly in the face of well-known theory (tested knowledge). For example, if a member is shown overwhelming evidence that the earth is round, but persists in saying that it is flat, then their prefixing each repetition of their flat-earth hypothesis with "It is my opnion that..." does not save them from having to provide a source. Accepted theory (tested knowledge) is that the world is round. On the other hand, if the issue is a hypothesis (untested theory) that scholars disagree on, then prefixing "it is my opinion that..." should get you off the hook.
As I now understand this particular issue, it is the untested hypothesis that a subconscious feeling of hereditary inferiority permeates the A-A community and manifests itself in various forms of hypocrisy. This hypothesis is a perennial favorite of Powell's. It has been debated many times both here and in print venues. Personally, I think it would pedagogically useful for Powell to provide other credible sources who share this hypothesis besides herself. But I have seen the hypothesis presented by serious scholars other than Powell And so, to me, the issue no longer raises a red flag as being outrageous and unsupported. The hypothesis may well be wrong. In fact, as far as I can tell, most scholars of the pyschology of "race" do not put much weight on it. But Powell is not alone. McWhorter, Ogbu, Sowell, D'Souza, Moynihan and others have speculated similarly.
Now that I understand the issue (at least I think I do), I agree with Monica that Powell's claim is an untested hypothesis (an opnion). I too would have preferred Powell to have mentioned the works of those who share this hypothesis. But it is not totally outrageous. It does not fly in the face of any theory (tested knowledge). And this means that Powell can get off the hook by stating that is is mere opnion (untested hypothesis).
If, on the other hand, Powell were to hypothesize that the Capitol rotunda was built by visiting Martians, then we should demand a source, even if she prefixes the hypothesis with "it is my opinion."
Posted: Tue 26 Feb 2008 23:49 Post subject: Monica's complaint
Quote:
The really sad thing is that black-identified elites who support the "one drop" myth and their white-identified enablers send these destructive messages:
(1) There is something inferior about "black" or sub-Saharan ancestry since no other ancestry has a "one drop rule" and, since even blacks themselves support the "one drop" myth, they themselves must know this is true. These are the people with whom Bliss Broyard has allied herself.
(2) The overrepresentation of mulattoes, mixed whites, etc. in the "black racial resume" means that the intelligence of these people comes from their white ancestry. Euro genes do the work and SSA genes get the credit, you might say. Some blacks are claiming, for example, that predominately white Anatole Broyard could have somehow eliminated all discrimination against "black" authors (however "discrimination" is defined) if only he had identified with them.
(3) Racial equality becomes, thanks to the black American embrace of the "one drop" myth, just a party line that "everyone" must parrot but "everyone" knows is not true.
Let's say that mom and dad tell Johnny not to drive while intoxicated because it's stupid and Johnny will harm or even kill himself and others if he persists in such behavior. Johnny comes to the "logical" conclusion that mom and dad hate him and want him to be killed, since Johnny cannot tell the difference between a positive warning (These are the harmful consequences if you persist in dangerous behavior) and a wish to do harm. If mom and dad did not give a damn about Johnny, they would keep silent and not trouble themselves.
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