The Study of Racialism

MixedAsian · New User Joined: 18 Nov 2007 {Posts: 12 } Location: Miami

1) Jennifer Lopez

2) Fat Joe

3) Eva Longoria

4) Ricky Martin

5) Gloria Velez

6) Daddy Yankee

7) Pitbull

Do you considere these individuals black, white, mestizo or mulatto?

MP mulattoprince · Wizard Joined: 10 Apr 2007 {Posts: 464 }

Under the western Latino system of racial classification all of them can be considered white. There are some Latinos who are very dark in complexion with skin tones the color of a Carmel brown skin African American and they are classified white by the United States government on the census forms. F. Sweet talked about this.

Question who is African American? In America due to the ODR (one drop rule) an African American can look like anything from dark skin black, Asian, mixed race looking, even look like a white person. So if anybody can be black because they have some black ancestry then why can’t any body be white meaning one drop of white blood makes you whites. Or one European looking body feature like eye color, shape of nose, shape of face, etc make you white.

UPDATE:

MP mulattoprince wrote:
There are some Latinos who are very dark in complexion with skin tones the color of a Carmel brown skin African American and they are classified white by the United States government on the census forms. F. Sweet talked about this.

F. Sweet wrote: Actually, I would have put that in past tense because census "race" has been each respondent's voluntary choice since the 1960 census.

fwsweet · Posted: Sun 25 Nov 2007 13:04 Post subject:

BillyMadison79 · Experienced User Joined: 01 Mar 2007 {Posts: 133 }

The ones on that list who phenotype wise would look right at home in a typical Latino novela are considered White. In Brazilian novelas for example most actors/actresses look like they are of Italian, German, or Portuguese descent.

punjabtrini · Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA

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MisterLawyer · Posted: Sat 29 Dec 2007 13:55 Post subject:

Ricky Martin was born in Puerto Rico. I don't know where his parents were from, but I too was always under the impression he was Puerto Rican.

punjabtrini · Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA

Yes, He is Puerto Rican.

I do not want to go further or else I may be banned but I am trying follow the rules of the forum! If I am permitted to say this on the forum, he is mas espanol que los demas (more Spanish then the rest). Based on personal observation of phenotype only when compared to the others who are more representative of varying degrees of mixed ancestry, whether African, indigenous or all three (european, african and native american)

fwsweet · Posted: Sat 29 Dec 2007 20:42 Post subject:

Phil345 · Wizard Joined: 03 Oct 2005 {Posts: 520 }

punjabtrini · Mentor Joined: 04 Sep 2007 {Posts: 253 } Location: USA

BillyMadison79 · Experienced User Joined: 01 Mar 2007 {Posts: 133 }

Fat Joe clearly has SSA features despite being light, so I don't think he could "pass" for White. He is in the same boat as Tisha Campbell and Rosie Perez in terms of people who are light but who's SSA admixture is way too obvious in their facial features for them to "pass". Fat Joe would easily be confused for a high yella Black in Jim Crow South.