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fwsweet
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| ImBack wrote: | | DChapman wrote: | | ok. Can you please post or give the url. |
Is Skin Color a Marker for Racial Discrimination? Explaining the Skin Color–Hypertension Relationship
Authors: Klonoff E.A.1; Landrine H.1
Source: Journal of Behavioral Medicine, Volume 23, Number 4, August 2000 , pp. 329-338(10)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10984862 |
Darn! You found it before I did. I knew there was a study about a connection to high blood pressure, but I have been busy lately with other things. I wonder if this study has been followed up. Questionaires are not as satisfying as more objective (double-blind) measurements. Also, there should by now be a study out there showing a lack of correlation between high blood pressure and actual SSA admixture. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Mon 16 Jun 2008 11:56 Post subject: |
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| ImBack wrote: | | DChapman wrote: | | ImBack wrote: | | Yes. There are several studies and this statistic was taken from a particular bit of research which was printed in the news a few years ago. |
ok. Can you please post or give the url. |
Sure. Seems I was wrong about the figure though, its 11 times!
ABSTRACT:
It is widely assumed that dark-skinned Blacks have higher rates of hypertension than their lighter-skinned cohorts because the former experience greater racial discrimination. However, there is no empirical evidence linking skin color to discrimination. This study tested the extent to which skin color is associated with differential exposure to discrimination for a sample of 300 Black adults. Results revealed that dark-skinned Blacks were 11 times more likely to experience frequent racial discrimination than their light-skinned counterparts; 67% of subjects reporting high discrimination were dark-skinned and only 8.5% were light-skinned. These preliminary findings suggest that skin color indeed may be a marker for racial discrimination and highlight the need to assess discrimination in studies of the skin color–hypertension relationship.
STUDY:
Is Skin Color a Marker for Racial Discrimination? Explaining the Skin Color–Hypertension Relationship
Authors: Klonoff E.A.1; Landrine H.1
Source: Journal of Behavioral Medicine, Volume 23, Number 4, August 2000 , pp. 329-338(10)
Publisher: Springer
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10984862 |
Things that should be discussed in studies like this is -Location: Urban/Suburban/Rural, North South East Coast West, and an example of the circumstances. |
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caribj
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It was pointed out during the OJ trial that some magazines portrayed OJ as being darker than he was in order to appear more "threatening". Now whether this was the conscious intent of these publications I dont know but more than a few blacks interpreted as such.
There is also another fact that in the USA light skinned blacks, for historical reasons, are more likely to be middle class than are darker skinned blacks. As a result they are less likely to be stereotyped with under class pathologies such as lacking education and positive values or a tendency towards criminal behavior.
I will be interested in hearing about the experiences in the USA of light skinned AAs vs those Latinos from the Caribbean who share a similar phenotype (mulattos) but possibly a whole different range of assumptions concerning their socio-economic status.
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| fwsweet wrote: | Funny. This was a topic of lively discussion after my lecture on Wednesday. The lecture was about The Perception of "Racial" Traits, but somehow the post-lecture discussion turned to U.S. colorism. The class never really resolved it, of course, but some interesting points made were:
1. As Richard suggests, it is politically correct nowadays to praise a deeper sub-Saharan phenotype and to denigrate a mixed phenotype. The reverse is politically incorrect.
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Isnt this an attempt to reverse the general bias in favor of lighter skinned AAs that has existed throughout this country's history and some might argue,still occurs today.? Not that its excusable because two wrongs dont make a right but it comes from the same sentiments that cast the poor as noble and the rich as evil.
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[quote="gemini072"] | gawosany wrote: | Lighter skin is almost always preferred which is why certain things are said the way they are.
Not as much in our times. Especially men. Darker skinned AA men, swarthy Italians, tanned beach boys etc etc
For men being darker is better. Darker African descendant American men are prefered over lighter skinned ones.
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Dark skin is often viewed as more macho. The Italian Stallion, the Latin lover and the fact that light skinned AA men hardly get virile roles in the movies or on TV.
It appears as if the AA ideal will be Denzil Washington with Sanaa Latham. |
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gemini072
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[quote="caribj"] | gemini072 wrote: | | gawosany wrote: | Lighter skin is almost always preferred which is why certain things are said the way they are.
Not as much in our times. Especially men. Darker skinned AA men, swarthy Italians, tanned beach boys etc etc
For men being darker is better. Darker African descendant American men are prefered over lighter skinned ones.
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Dark skin is often viewed as more macho. The Italian Stallion, the Latin lover and the fact that light skinned AA men hardly get virile roles in the movies or on TV.
It appears as if the AA ideal will be Denzil Washington with Sanaa Latham. |
Right, Denzel has a different appeal because he's dark but not too dark, and his features wouldn't be considered negroid. Plus most women find him attractive.
But as a whole darker skinned men are the ideal. I will go further to say that in the last 10 years I've seen way too many pairings of black men(darker skinned) and white women.
The sexuality of the Nubile Mandingo was always a topic of interest for white america from Science, religion and smutt. |
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onlyhuman77
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[quote="gemini072"] | caribj wrote: | | gemini072 wrote: | | gawosany wrote: | Lighter skin is almost always preferred which is why certain things are said the way they are.
Not as much in our times. Especially men. Darker skinned AA men, swarthy Italians, tanned beach boys etc etc
For men being darker is better. Darker African descendant American men are prefered over lighter skinned ones.
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Dark skin is often viewed as more macho. The Italian Stallion, the Latin lover and the fact that light skinned AA men hardly get virile roles in the movies or on TV.
It appears as if the AA ideal will be Denzil Washington with Sanaa Latham. |
Right, Denzel has a different appeal because he's dark but not too dark, and his features wouldn't be considered negroid. Plus most women find him attractive.
But as a whole darker skinned men are the ideal. I will go further to say that in the last 10 years I've seen way too many pairings of black men(darker skinned) and white women.
The sexuality of the Nubile Mandingo was always a topic of interest for white america from Science, religion and smutt. |
I am not so sure I am willing to believe that African American/Multi-cultural/Caucasian/Asian/Latin/Indian women stick by their "Visual Preference" as much as their "Personality/Economic Preference" and even that tends to fall short.
Most tall females might say that the guy must be tall but beyond that, the complexion, race, body type, and looks is almost always inconsistent with the bros they end up dating and getting serious with.
Females for the most part are not the aggressors (although there are some sexy Latinas that go for what they want and that is a very very good thing). They can only respond to the scraps that come their way. I don't know if any guys ever ran into a couple of their exes after five or more years and see the guys they are dating or guys they ended up with, after of course they told you while you were an item that they are only into a certain type of guy?
Not too long ago I tried to play match maker with a brown skinned co-worker (mid 50's) around my mothers age and an older guy(African American mid 50's) I know in Brooklyn since I thought they had some things in common. Her response was he's really handsome but I don't date light skin men. I was in shock, I had to ask "How is it that 3 out of 4 of your children are so bright yellow (including one with blue/gray eyes)? And she is like their father was light.
So I refuse to believe the "Darker the Berry Preference" has much more validity than being the bizarrely politically correct African American response over the apparent preference females have for men that make them feel secure. |
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| Posted: Tue 17 Jun 2008 03:54 Post subject: |
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| fwsweet wrote: | | ImBack wrote: | | DChapman wrote: | | ok. Can you please post or give the url. |
Is Skin Color a Marker for Racial Discrimination? Explaining the Skin Color–Hypertension Relationship
Authors: Klonoff E.A.1; Landrine H.1
Source: Journal of Behavioral Medicine, Volume 23, Number 4, August 2000 , pp. 329-338(10)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10984862 |
Darn! You found it before I did. I knew there was a study about a connection to high blood pressure, but I have been busy lately with other things. I wonder if this study has been followed up. Questionaires are not as satisfying as more objective (double-blind) measurements. Also, there should by now be a study out there showing a lack of correlation between high blood pressure and actual SSA admixture. |
I didn't know we were racing lol.
As far as the double blind study goes, we could design such an experiment easily using the internet and photos. I would be very interested to know the results, but I am sure they would corroborate the findings of the above study. |
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gemini072
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