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Bischoff
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 Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 07:25 Post subject: Mulato/Black Couples And Mulato/White Couples |
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The media labels Mulato/Black couples as monoracial and hence not considered racemixing, but Mulato/White couples are labeled as interracial. I know "Other" said she does not consider her marriage to her Black husband to be interracial. But I wouldn't be surprised if she considered it interracial if her husband looked like this for example
So the question is why are most self identified Mulatos perfectly okay with this social double standard ? Is this their way of saying that they feel they are racially closer Blacks than they are to Whites. |
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Bischoff
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| Question for everybody here which do you consider to be more interracial, Mariah Carey's marriage to the White Tommy Mottola or her marriage to the Black Nick Cannon ? |
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Grasshoppa
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| Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 08:39 Post subject: Re: Mulato/Black Couples And Mulato/White Couples |
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| Bischoff wrote: | | The media labels Mulato/Black couples as monoracial and hence not considered racemixing, but Mulato/White couples are labeled as interracial. |
Can I have proof of this? I don't recall ever hearing the media labelling these things anything other than plain ol' relationships. Now the people that pay attention to the media often do the labelling moreso than the media itself, it seems.
Now, why do people label these mixed/black couples monoracial (or nothing at all) and mixed/white couples interracial? Obviously it has much to do with the one drop rule. Perhaps, people of the U.S. like to designate many people with visible african ancestry into the "black" catagory. I'm sure you know this by now. But surely you're specifically talking about the U.S., correct? I haven't seen any evidence saying that these labels in particular exist in other parts of the world.
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So the question is why are most self identified Mulatos perfectly okay with this social double standard ? Is this their way of saying that they feel they are racially closer Blacks than they are to Whites. |
I wouldn't say most mulattos are ok with it. My guess is that the ones who identify as mulattos would not be ok with it, whereas the ones who identify as black wouldn't care. |
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fwsweet
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| Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 11:57 Post subject: Re: Mulato/Black Couples And Mulato/White Couples |
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| Bischoff wrote: | | The media labels Mulato/Black couples as monoracial and hence not considered racemixing, but Mulato/White couples are labeled as interracial. ... why are most self identified Mulatos perfectly okay with this social double standard ? Is this their way of saying that they feel they are racially closer Blacks than they are to Whites. |
This is true only in the U.S. The very concept or "racemixing" in the sense of violating an endogamous barrier exists only in the U.S.
This thread appears to be a re-statement of Why does hypodescent exist in U.S. perception? and an attempt to move it back to the molecular anthropology forum. Second warning. Do not post questions about the unique U.S. dichotomous color line into the molecular anthropology and genetics forum. Such questions belong in "History of the U.S. Color Line."
I am becoming increasingly concerned with Bischoff's routine of starting threads with a "why" question containing a counterfactual assumption (Why do all crows have green beaks?) and then responding to assumption-correcting answers (Not all crows have green beaks.) by dodging and changing the subject (Well, parrots have yellow beaks.) I am asking Bischoff to please give some serious thought to why he is here. What does he want to get out of participating in this discussion site? |
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Famu
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| Bischoff wrote: | | Question for everybody here which do you consider to be more interracial, Mariah Carey's marriage to the White Tommy Mottola or her marriage to the Black Nick Cannon ? |
I don't consider either any more "interracial" than the other. Mariah Carey has identified as black and mixed on several different occasions, so I guess if she was feeling "black" one day I would say she was in an IR relationship with Mottola and in a same-race relationship with Cannon, and if she was feeling "mixed" I really wouldn't have an opinion. |
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OTHER
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| Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 18:16 Post subject: Re: Mulato/Black Couples And Mulato/White Couples |
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| Bischoff wrote: | The media labels Mulato/Black couples as monoracial and hence not considered racemixing, but Mulato/White couples are labeled as interracial. I know "Other" said she does not consider her marriage to her Black husband to be interracial. But I wouldn't be surprised if she considered it interracial if her husband looked like this for example
So the question is why are most self identified Mulatos perfectly okay with this social double standard ? Is this their way of saying that they feel they are racially closer Blacks than they are to Whites. |
I don't consider my sister's marriage to her first husband to be interracial, either, and he's Irish and Italian with blond hair and blue eyes.  Nor do I consider her current marriage to a Nicaraguan to be interracial. I don't even consider myself to be biracial, if you see what I'm saying. I am human. My husband is human. Both brothers-in-law, human. One race.
Do you have any proof that most self-identified mulattos are perfectly OK with this double standard? To me, the notion that a mulatto married to a black person is not interracial but a mulatto married to a white person IS interracial, well, then that is totally based on the one drop rule that assumes the mulatto is black. Now, I don't know about the majority of mixed folks, but I can tell you that this self-identified mulatto is most certainly NOT OK with that. |
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gemini072
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| Posted: Wed 28 May 2008 18:58 Post subject: Re: Mulato/Black Couples And Mulato/White Couples |
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| OTHER wrote: | | Bischoff wrote: | The media labels Mulato/Black couples as monoracial and hence not considered racemixing, but Mulato/White couples are labeled as interracial. I know "Other" said she does not consider her marriage to her Black husband to be interracial. But I wouldn't be surprised if she considered it interracial if her husband looked like this for example
So the question is why are most self identified Mulatos perfectly okay with this social double standard ? Is this their way of saying that they feel they are racially closer Blacks than they are to Whites. |
I don't consider my sister's marriage to her first husband to be interracial, either, and he's Irish and Italian with blond hair and blue eyes. Nor do I consider her current marriage to a Nicaraguan to be interracial. I don't even consider myself to be biracial, if you see what I'm saying. I am human. My husband is human. Both brothers-in-law, human. One race.
Do you have any proof that most self-identified mulattos are perfectly OK with this double standard? To me, the notion that a mulatto married to a black person is not interracial but a mulatto married to a white person IS interracial, well, then that is totally based on the one drop rule that assumes the mulatto is black. Now, I don't know about the majority of mixed folks, but I can tell you that this self-identified mulatto is most certainly NOT OK with that. |
Louisiana Creole/French cultures of the 1800's saw Mulatre e Negre marriages as 'interracial' by the way the children were defined.
Mulatre e Negre = Marabou
Marabou e Negre = Griffe / Griffone
Griffe e Negre = Sacatra |
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OTHER
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What's with all of the animal references to my mixed people?
Mulatre/mulatto MULE!?
Marabou (Stork)
Griffe  Close.
Zebra!
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