The Study of Racialism

ImBack · Wizard Joined: 28 Jun 2006 {Posts: 587 }

I second that A.D.

G-Man · Moderator Joined: 27 Nov 2004 {Posts: 2590 }

Famu · Mentor Joined: 27 Sep 2007 {Posts: 243 }

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

Here's one way of looking at it, since phenotype became the focus of this thread.

Most of the time, we make assessments about others based on what they look like. I personally would not come out and blatantly accuse somebody of lying if they say they're mixed.

I would, however, wonder to myself if they were being honest esp. if there is no physical evidence whatsoever on that person or photos of these family members they talk about, etc. It really isn't unheard of for people to make claims like this. I am not accusing anyone or saying that people who do this are "bad"...I'm saying that it does happen.

It has nothing to do with skin color, African features, etc. There are other factors besides that. It seems that this thread hit a nerve with quite a few people and I'm not sure why. No one here was being personally attacked by me. Phil and I had a disagreement but it's no big deal. We've moved beyond that.

jagirl32 · Experienced User Joined: 17 Jul 2007 {Posts: 120 }

its true what your saying. i know people who are bi-racial weather it be half black and asian or white and they look COMPLETELY black! i mean, you cannot mistake them for anything else!

MP mulattoprince · Wizard Joined: 10 Apr 2007 {Posts: 464 }

We all been through this conversation this with you before I believe. You make the same statement constantly. I feel that what it is with some people -- is that they hate the fact that some people have mixed race phenotypes and are not bi racial. These people look more mixed race than some who are recently mixed. Also based upon what I seeing it seems that you want people to walk around with family photo album (most people will not show this to a stranger).

Some Wesley snipes looking dude has a white grandfather but when you see him Piano player you say he is black. So what benefit did his white grandfather give him none. Yet Vanessa Williams come from the multi generational mix and her phenotype is mixed race. Blacks, Whites, and others agree she is mixed. Antibody can sit up and claim to have a recent white relative, and anybody the color of Wesley Snipes can claim to be biracial.

Some people are just angry and unhappy because the mixed race world, whites, and blacks and other ethnics -- go a little bit more by your phenotype than some dead white ancestor. And they see people walking around who are just as mixed race in phenotype as they are, and these people are not biracial and this angers some people. On top of that many times from my experience the hostile mixed race people who are hostile towards mixed race people are those mixed race people who are sexually attracted to blacks, participate in blackness of culture, emotionally attached to blacks, mentally attracted to the black race etc I have seen it many times.

I accept all three mixes (biracial (fgmix), Multi generational mix, and SGM second generational mix (one biracial parent) as belonging to the mixed race. I don't have time for some people who are just angry because they won't to feel special in the world of mixed race. I recommend to these people move on with lives and get out of the mixed race multi racial movements, an take their jealousy, anger (at society and white America), resentment, etc with and go live life and don't worry about mixed race people and phenotypes and ancestry. Go study botany or do something else.
From my daily experience no one average cares if you biracial or multi generational if you show visible sings of black ancestry. They just see the black ancestry and labeled you black.
A phenotype is more convincing than taking somebody's word that they have mixed race ancestry or that they are biracial or multi generational because people can lie and do lie.
Humans are visual get over it.

Creole GAL · Experienced User Joined: 12 Mar 2007 {Posts: 183 }

To answer piano player's original posts....though you have not seen my pic...I am Black American. I go as BlackAmerican. I cannot go as anything else. I hate African American because I am not African American. That is just a stupid phrase from the 80's pushed by Jackson and others. I cannot say I am African American no more than I can say I French American or Spainsh American.
I have nappy hair. I am tan/honey colored. My feet bottoms are pale. I have pink lips and gums. I am me and I hope to give you some description. I cannot dance due to having two right feet and no rhythm and I do not have no behind. There is still nothing back there even now that I have a ton of weight...still buttless.
I am me and I like me. I accept myself .

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

MP...who is it that you're referring to? Confused

What statement have I made constantly? Please quote something I have said before making false claims.

And why are you even here in this thread if you think it is so irrelevant? Help me understand. I felt that your post was pretty condescending and arrogant, to be honest. Who says that I want to "feel special in the world of mixed race"? Who says I'm angry? YOU came into a thread I created and didn't like what you read...so you attacked me. Grow up. Rolling Eyes

I don't have time for people who decide to attack me because they disagree with what I say. If my thread offends you and you have nothing relevant to contribute, move on. No one is forcing you to agree with anything.

Is the purpose of this forum not to discuss racial issues, provided that it is done in a civil manner? I wasn't aware that we had to be all PC and avoid talking about experiences we might have had or things we might observe OUTSIDE of this forum. I don't use inflammatory language or attack people or make blanket statements about anyone...but I'll be the one to close this thread since I started it.

I didn't expect people to agree with me but I also wasn't prepared for the hostility in some of these replies. So, whatever....end of discussion.

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

Thank you, Creole, for being one of the few in this thread who stated an opinion without making it personal. Smile

sagascend · Moderator Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2087 }

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

Hello, Maya. Smile

You know what? It's cool. I've simply decided to let it be. Obviously, this thread really IS a sensitive subject...otherwise so many people would not be so upset by something that doesn't even pertain to them.

I apologize to all of you who misunderstood what I was trying to say. I didn't mean any harm. I'm just really puzzled as to why people bother to reply if they don't have anything constructive to say. I tried to phrase it as respectfully as I could. I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, but that is what happened.

*sigh* Anyway...it's OK. I'll simply be more careful with what I post because there are some thin-skinned folks who take offense at the most innocuous statements. I don't know what he's talking about. I haven't the slightest idea. But it's cool. I have better things to do. Cool

Grasshoppa · Posted: Wed 27 Aug 2008 22:46 Post subject:

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

Grasshoppa...if you read some of the remarks here (specifically those from Mulatto Prince), you would understand. When people make comments like that out of the blue without understanding what I have said/asked, they have clearly taken offense to what I've said.

I said that certain people were attacking me because they ARE...without good reason. Can I make it any clearer? And yes, his comment was directed at me. I think it is fairly obvious. I didn't say everyone was attacking me, so please don't misunderstand. Also, I've had misunderstandings with people here at ODR who believe I'm either racist or colorist...so they don't actually think before responding to what I'm trying to say. It IS the Internet, after all! Wink

I'm not offended by anything. I'm simply saying that if people don't agree with certain statements I've made or whatever, they can express their opinions tactfully. I don't agree with all the statements that others make on this forum, but I don't imply that they are bad people for having different views.

There is no need to insinuate that I'm trying to feel "special" in the world of mixed race (whatever that means) or accuse me of trying to start trouble. It is ridiculous.

pianoplayer111 · Mentor Joined: 16 May 2007 {Posts: 379 }

Anyway.... Laughing

This thread has run its course. May I request that it be closed by a moderator?

sagascend · Moderator Joined: 17 Jun 2006 {Posts: 2087 }

I agree that the thread is too narrowly focused on individual posters rather than the original topic.

I'm locking it.